Right to Bear Arms (Split from Firearm Thread)

[BLINGMW]

Sounds like Switzerland. And I'm all for it. No surprise, they have a VERY low homicide rate. :thumbup:

[BLINGMW]

Get fired up Friday! (probably you've heard of these, but maybe not)

HR45 introduced in House: :?

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And the Ammunition Accountability act.... gets me REAL excited! :x

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I fully expect some of this crap, or bills like them, to pass in the next couple years. The Ammunition Accountability thing, I gotta give it to 'em, that's a damn tricky way to get around the 2nd amendment. JOY.

[ScottyB]

stupid constitution, always inconveniencing our saviors as they try to protect us from ourselves

[CaptainHenreh]

Nothing will come of HR45.

It's stupid, and Bobby Rush, D(umbass) should be committing political suicide, except people in chicago are fucking retarded.

[HAULN-SS]

It was kind of funny, on the palestinianherald website, the banner ad at the top of the page was a CIA job ad. First time i think i've ever seen one of those

[CaptainHenreh]

Fucking shit.

Ok, ready for a rant? Tough, because here comes one.

I want to make one point very, very clear:

I do not give a shit about Mexico.

Let's begin.

Eric Holder (Our fine attorney general) says that Our Glorious Leader will try to re-instate the Assault Weapons Ban. Why? Click.

"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum."

Mexico, eh? And what does the State Department have to say about Mexico?

Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."

Automatic weapons? Hand Grenades? Guess what, YOU CAN'T BUY THOSE HERE. Machine guns and hand grenades have been tightly restricted since before anyone here was born. So what's an Assault Weapons Ban going to do for Mexico?

Here's an example of what's going on in Mexico right now:

Click.

Let me just grab some highlights:

"The firefights, which involved automatic weapons and grenades, began when police stopped a vehicle at a checkpoint near an elementary school in an upscale neighborhood of Reynosa, according to reports."

Automatic Weapons? Grenades! WE MUST STOP THE FLOW OF GRENADES INTO MEXICO! *thinks happy thoughts really hard* OK, done.

Let's take a look at the "assault weapons" that are flowing into mexico. This photo is from the gun battle linked above:



Looks like an AR-15! Just like the one I own...except, wait a minute, that barrel looks awfully short! In fact, I would bet my lunch that barrel is far shorter than 16"...Guess what is illegal to own in the United States without a federal background check and a $200 ATF stamp? Oh, that's right, any rifle with a barrel shorter than 16"! We have to make them more illegaler! ZOMG Won't someone think of the little mexican children with the really big eyes?

Nevermind that the AR-15 is the single most common centerfire rifle in this country, bar none. Nevermind that the AR-15 is so popular with Americans that manufacturers have Six Month Waiting Lists for their products. Six Month waiting list in *this* economy. Let's just ban them. For Mexico. Nobody will mind. Because these machine guns and grenades couldn't be coming from Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua or any of the other places where the drugs these cartels sell come from. No sir, that couldn't be possible.

Now, I'm not trying to say that guns from the US don't ever go to Mexico. I'm sure hundreds a day make their way south. But the answer isn't to ban guns in the United States. Hey, I've got an idea, instead of banning weapons that Mexicans might use to take back to their country and shoot up some corrupt federales, how about we Ban the Mexicans? Eh? EH? If there are no mexicans going in and out the most porous border on the planet then there won't be any GUNS going that way either. Or DRUGS coming this way. It's a fucking WIN-WIN situation.

If this doesn't piss you off, you need to wake up. This is about more than just guns. If you're thinking to yourself right now "Well, this doesn't affect me. I don't own any guns at all, let alone an 'assault rifle'..." then take a look around, man. Your freedoms are being limited for the sake of another country that can't (and has never been able to) control it's crime. This is not our fault. We bear no responsibility to Mexico to solve their problem. First it's guns, and then what? If the government shows it has no regard for the Constitution and Law, then there is *nothing* to stop that government from restricting any of your freedoms. This is more than a gun issue.

ATTENTION DEMOCRATS:

THE LAST TIME YOU PULLED THIS SHIT YOU LOST CONTROL OF BOTH CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENTIAL SEAT.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN POWER, KNOCK IT OFF!

[ScottyB]

take a bow Rex, you deserve it

[Jeff]

Very well said. There was a customer in here yesterday who I was talking guns with (while another salesman was working his deal...what bullshit). Anyway, he said "I just bought an AR-15 yesterday...I don't know why though. I don't need the damn thing. But they told me Barack Obama was going to try and ban them again. Anything that man doesn't want me to have I am going to have two!"

Epic Win...as was his $100k AMG Benz.

[Maengelito]

"I just bought an AR-15 yesterday...I don't know why though. I don't need the damn thing. But they told me Barack Obama was going to try and ban them again. Anything that man doesn't want me to have I am going to have two!"

that doesn't strike you as pretty retarded?

[.RJ]

that doesn't strike you as pretty retarded?

Better to have and not need.

[BLINGMW]

that doesn't strike you as pretty retarded?

yeah, it's pretty retarded. Retarded that we've let it slip to the point that the guy feels like he has to do that, but it's an appropriate response IMHO. It's the response of a person who feels he has no power in his own country.

Thanks for posting this article Rex. So. What do we do? Is being an NRA member enough to at least show my support? Do we have to make more direct threats to our congressmen? Do I have to threaten to assassinate someone and be clear that it will be with a bolt-action rifle?

[HAULN-SS]

Funny enough..the NRA is all over this already. I got a thing in the mail yesterday from them that has a Carbon-Copy "poll" that you fill out, and it has your specific representatives listed on it for your district, and when you mail it back to the NRA, they mail it to those reps for you. They specifically talk about the mexico issue in the flyer that came with it

[BLINGMW]

I got that too. As a fairly new member, I feel a little bombarded by those types of things lately from them, they strike me as dis-ingenuous "give us more money" ploys, capitalizing on fear. While at the same time, I wonder home much of my membership $ they're spending on all this crap they're sending me. Just take it straight to the fight! I mean, obviously any NRA member is going to fill that thing out the same way, so why bother? It's an expensive mailing. Should I send it in?

*edit* I just sent the 'ol NRA a message about it:
As a new member, I'm a little shocked at how much the NRA spends on sending me mailings. Already I'm getting multiple renewal offers, letters about what the dems are up to (I know, and your magazines cover this too) and how I need to contribute more, and most recently, some crazy, carbon copy survey with enclosed contribution envelope. Don't you know well how everyone in the NRA would fill out that survey? What's the point then?

I understand you want to get the word out. I understand you want to keep us fired up (trust me, we are). But the signal to noise ratio and repetition of your mailings is bordering on making me want to cancel if that's all you're going to do with my membership $. Please, cut the amount of mailings by at least half and use the savings to take the message to this current administration. You're preaching too much to the choir.

[HAULN-SS]

I guess the NRA issueing one "report" on what their members want is not the same effect as stuffing 2 million letters into congresspeople's mailboxes

[Apoc]

I feel a little bombarded by those types of things lately from them, they strike me as dis-ingenuous "give us more money" ploys, capitalizing on fear.

That's the reason why I stopped reading the e-newsletters from the LP.

[CaptainHenreh]

Thanks for posting this article Rex. So. What do we do? Is being an NRA member enough to at least show my support? Do we have to make more direct threats to our congressmen? Do I have to threaten to assassinate someone and be clear that it will be with a bolt-action rifle?

I didn't so much "post this article" as "pound it out in a politically fueled rage" but I'm glad you asked "What do we do?"

I'll tell you.

The #1 thing you can do is write your representatives. Write a hand-written letter expressing your thoughts. Be respectful but firm. Tell them that if they allow this to come to pass, if they vote for it, if they do not try to kill the bill, that you will vote for whomever runs against them. That this is an end-issue for you, and you won't tolerate their vote as YOUR representative. A letter means alot to a representative, they don't get them very often. A respectful, handwritten letter means even more. Don't be lazy and send an email. Write a letter.

#2: Invoke respectful dialogue with people who disagree. If you can't talk about it without being a dick, keep your mouth shut. But the more noise that's made about this issue, and the more people that are informed of the facts, the less likely these things are to go through. If you recall in '94, the AWB was kind of "tacked on" to a crime bill, and it was at a time when we'd had some real tragedies related to "assault weapons". The environment now could not be more different.

#3: Join the NRA, join the VCDL (if you're a Virginian), join any group you think will be effective. Yes, the NRA is not the best group out there for gun rights, but it's better to at least support those people who are doing *something* than to sit on your hands and "hope" that there will be no "change".

Remember, we have the Heller decision on our side. The ruling specifically states that firearms "in common use" are the right of the Citizen to possess. No one can argue that the most common centerfire rifle in the nation isn't "in common use."

So, to sum up:

Be loud, be respectful, be heard, join gun rights groups, write a letter to your elected representatives.

[Kaan]

thank God i'm getting my Utah and VA permit stuff out of the way now.

NRA, VCDL, Gun Owners of America... three major groups right in our own back yard.

GOA is more of a lobby
NRA is more of a media and in the courts machine
VCDL does a little bit of everything on the state level

[Evan]

I got that too. As a fairly new member, I feel a little bombarded by those types of things lately from them

my personal favorite is the NRA wine club.

I laughed out loud when I got that one in my inbox.

but yeah, I dont really read them anymore because the signal to noise ratio is pretty low

[CaptainHenreh]

LOL:

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Well, maybe Lando Calrissian should confer with the Emperor before making statements.

Still, everything I said applies just like now as it did.

[G.Irish]

Holder is shaping up to be a conspicuously incompetent Attorney General. I hope he gets replaced after one year (hopefully sooner).