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[Kaan]

same podcast (back country hunters and anglers) that let out the whistle blower information on this current issue. Their #1 political goal is to keep public lands open and clean... so if they covered it I'm sure it happened.

you can google it. Obama was good at halting new coal mining... but during his administration public lands were still opened to mining.

[JPolen01]

The only thing that comes up (on the first page) when you google "Obama Chinese Mineral Mining" are results about the WTO case where Obama and other members wanted the WTO to force China to put more rare earth metals up for sale. Nothing about Chinese mining in the US.

[Kaan]

The only thing that comes up (on the first page) when you google "Obama Chinese Mineral Mining" are results about the WTO case where Obama and other members wanted the WTO to force China to put more rare earth metals up for sale. Nothing about Chinese mining in the US.

/sigh

its more complicated than a google spit out search. its more of an investigation and probably from sources you arent familiar with. but i know there are articles field and stream, on back country hunters and angler, etc. that will help piece it all together. 

Similarly to how several industries have been sold off completely over time to international companies that are essentially government shell companies. Russian, Chinese, Indian, etc "companies" have been buying up US companies that do recycling, "cash for gold," etc. for decades. They have also been buying up large acreage parcels in Africa for future untapped resources.

During the Obama administration no new mining was allowed, but the current mining operations were allowed to continue. The leases were up and the Obama administrations DHS approved the lease to Chinese corporations. That's usually a big "no-no"... though its been ever increasing. DHS has been placed in charge of approving foreign purchases and leases in the US since its inception... their policies for approval haven't changed much, no matter who is in office.

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this article will help explain the processes. Obama actually stopped auto renewal of leases right before he left office. but you will see, the government gets a kickback (percentage) or the mineral sales. too bad its not really the governments money, its our money.

https://queticosuperior.org/blog/histori...ct-renewal

[JPolen01]

you can google it

its more complicated than a google spit out search. 

[Kaan]

https://www.theatlantic.com/internationa...go/241663/

this explains the global mining issue. It also identifies the Dodd-Frank Act that was signed by Obama. Im not sure why the Dodd-Frank requires African countries to be identified specifically, I think it should just require minerals be identified by country... it seems short sighted at best... but Dodd-Frank was used as justification by international countries to be allowed to bid on US public land leases.

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"Hong Kong" based company allowed to mine uranium on US public land...
https://www.revealnews.org/article/forei...ed-us-law/

[.RJ]

same podcast (back country hunters and anglers) that let out the whistle blower information on this current issue. Their #1 political goal is to keep public lands open and clean... so if they covered it I'm sure it happened.

you can google it. Obama was good at halting new coal mining... but during his administration public lands were still opened to mining.

Ah the ol' "i'm not going to do your research for you, sheeple! Open your eyes!" facebook internet argument.  

Sorry I'm just not woke enough. 

Information that gets filtered through bottom barrel fearmongering blog sites and podcasts are nearly universally full of shit and only exist to promote some sort of agenda.  Its not journalism.

[Kaan]

https://www.theatlantic.com/internationa...go/241663/

this explains the global mining issue. It also identifies the Dodd-Frank Act that was signed by Obama. Im not sure why the Dodd-Frank requires African countries to be identified specifically, I think it should just require minerals be identified by country... it seems short sighted at best... but Dodd-Frank was used as justification by international countries to be allowed to bid on US public land leases.

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"Hong Kong" based company allowed to mine uranium on US public land...
https://www.revealnews.org/article/forei...ed-us-law/

RJ I quoted myself so you could see the link. <3

lets not place blame and lets take action. don't let your internet hate keep you from taking action on something you love.

[.RJ]

From the article -

The project has its permit from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission but it is still waiting on approval from the Bureau of Land Management as well as permits from the Environmental Protection Agency and state mining and water boards.

And this is based on a 19th century law. So, not only is Obama responsible, but he's a fuckin' kenyan time traveler! I knew it!

I'm not a fan of this shit - and the West is fraught with very long standing and complicated issues around land use, natural resources, land management, water rights*, disenfranchising native people and stealing their land and so forth. Its not as simple as "Obama let china stealing ur metals!" or "Killary sold all the uraniumZ to Russia, and the Ukraine".

*The water rights thing is probably the most rustling for me - please take some time and read this - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RT...UTF8&psc=1 - what kills me the most is that most of these "libertarian" get the gov off our ranch lands, would never be there in the first place without heavily subsidized or free water from the army corps of engineers or BLM. Well, that and the giant farming corporations driving fucking mac trucks full of almonds through loopholes and unenforcement of the laws.

[ScottyB]

these "libertarian" get the gov off our ranch lands, would never be there in the first place without heavily subsidized or free water from the army corps of engineers or BLM

i hate that shit. pretending you're staunchly self sufficient on one hand, while clinging dearly to the gov't gravy train with the other.

its also part of why most of the Ogallala Aquifer is FUBAR'd and likely never coming back. 8 state's wide worth of water and could be gone in 50 years. enjoy your gov't subsidized E85 while it lasts.

[Kaan]

From the article -

The project has its permit from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission but it is still waiting on approval from the Bureau of Land Management as well as permits from the Environmental Protection Agency and state mining and water boards.

And this is based on a 19th century law.  So, not only is Obama responsible, but he's a fuckin' kenyan time traveler!  I knew it!

I'm not a fan of this shit - and the West is fraught with very long standing and complicated issues around land use, natural resources, land management, water rights*, disenfranchising native people and stealing their land and so forth.  Its not as simple as "Obama let china stealing ur metals!" or "Killary sold all the uraniumZ to Russia, and the Ukraine".

*The water rights thing is probably the most rustling for me - please take some time and read this - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RT...UTF8&psc=1 - what kills me the most is that most of these "libertarian" get the gov off our ranch lands, would never be there in the first place without heavily subsidized or free water from the army corps of engineers or BLM.  Well, that and the giant farming corporations driving fucking mac trucks full of almonds through loopholes and unenforcement of the laws.

where we differ is, you easily blame the GOP... where I will easily provide blame to everyone.

the shit happened under Obamas watch... he had to know something about the mining operations, because he not only signed Dott-Frank but pushed it.

Every president has to battle with the people for public lands. they all make compromises... its the political thing to do. what happens is these compromises cross each other, have conflicting information, etc. and it gets worse with time.

water rights... to have the ability to have water... water access.. the ability to navigate waterways... huge issues ive read extensively on. there are ranchers and STATES that cant live without what we have done with water. but our changes to keep ranchers happy and states hydrated has greatly changed the landscape and environment.

In the 1970s they were going to dam the yellow stone river, flood the southern part of the park... just to make sure people had water. It failed and kept the Yellow Stone River the longest unimpeded waterway in the US.

I think water issues are directly related to the population AND climate change. We need water to live and so the do the plants and animals we eat. but we will build houses anywhere... expand beyond the resources in that area. Part of the reason that big farm exists (and I hate them really) is to feed all these people in an affordable manner. that and the extreme decline of small farms... because who wants to work hard for nothing?

[.RJ]

They've been blatantly pushing the "small gov't" agenda for so long that they cant see the forest for the trees.... and with the modern GOP small gov't just means privatizing the services so old rich guys can keep getting richer. They've been unchecked on this march long enough that its just blatant because fuck you, I got mine.

I will be voting straight D on my tickets for the foreseeable future and I never imagined this would be the case. But here we are.

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water rights... to have the ability to have water... water access.. the ability to navigate waterways... huge issues ive read extensively on. there are ranchers and STATES that cant live without what we have done with water. but our changes to keep ranchers happy and states hydrated has greatly changed the landscape and environment.

But these cities did not exist until they dammed up all the water ways, for political gain first, that then allowed them to expand. And now they have to keep searching for new sources of water to feed it. They created this mess for themselves but absolve themselves of any responsibility.

I dont bemoan big farms or big business. I like capitalism. Just pay your share and dont bellyache about how you "cant survive" without it because you have done fuckall to innovate or reduce water usage in the past 100 years, and continuing to fuck future generations good and hard so you can keep profiting.

[HAULN-SS]

We grow more with less than in the history of human species...and you think they haven't done anything to increase their efficiencies of every kind of resource use possible? That's laughable right on the surface. Hyperbole doesn't help your argument.

[.RJ]

They havent because it doesnt make sense, because they are paying pennies on the dollar for their water... IN THE SUBSIDIZED WATER AMERICAN WEST.

Rest of world, yes.

[Kaan]

my issue with water is... historically they knew water was the issue, so the dammed up rivers, cut in irrigation, etc. THEN they allowed their populations to grow, through building permits and all that... that they then ran out of water. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ....

we looked at getting some land in WY or MT for retirement... we switched to TN because there are no water right on the properties for sale. everyone pays by the gallon and lives on cisterns. Oh and by county, you cant collect rain water...

[ScottyB]

we looked at getting some land in WY or MT for retirement... we switched to TN because there are no water right on the properties for sale. everyone pays by the gallon and lives on cisterns. Oh and by county, you cant collect rain water...

out there, they'll drink your milkshake

[HAULN-SS]

They havent because it doesnt make sense, because they are paying pennies on the dollar for their water... IN THE SUBSIDIZED WATER AMERICAN WEST.

Rest of world, yes.

You didn't directly answer the question, but your premise is simply not true. Farmers can measure moisture content of crops by the acre, do mechanized GPS based harvesting, no till, drill seeding,etc etc. Yes I know you're going to point to some shit ass almond farm in California for some anecdata, but you can't stand on an assumption that farms don't want to use their resources efficiently. We are effectively the breadbasket of the world. I can't stand the subsidies that are put into farming, but the Dems are as guilty of that as the reps are to subsidizing oil (which also damn near has us being the fossil fuel breadbasket of the world as of late)

[.RJ]

I will dig up more info. But would you as a business owner invest in tech to reduce water use when it is effectively free?

[Kaan]

I will dig up more info.  But would you as a business owner invest in tech to reduce water use when it is effectively free?

would you as a car maker... make lower emission cars when you don't have to?

[JPolen01]

would you as a car maker... make lower emission cars when you don't have to?

But they do need to lower emissions. Because the consumer demands it. As evidenced by most automakers joining California to increase fuel efficiency and throw the finger at Trump.

[Kaan]

would you as a car maker... make lower emission cars when you don't have to?

But they do need to lower emissions. Because the consumer demands it. As evidenced by most automakers joining California to increase fuel efficiency and throw the finger at Trump.

I actually don't agree that the consumer demands it. that "demand" only kicks in when gas prices rise. right now trucks are selling like hot cakes...