Kaan = Police magnet

[ScottyB]

i can tell you i'm no stranger to working over 40 a week, and i'm salaried with no OT. sometimes i'm in the office til 7:30 - 8...again, that's just what it takes.

for some reason though it sounded to me like Feersty was on hourly.

[Feersty]

So you are saying people are expected to work more than 40 hours a week without being compensated? I should have taken hour long lunches instead of half hour long lunches?

haha, no man. sorry if i misunderstood but it sounded like you just plain didn't like the idea of working more than 40 hours a week. if they aren't compensating you then yes, that doesn't sound right.

I hate to break it to the two of you but 40+ hour work weeks are standard in most industries. If you're a salaried employee it doesn't matter if you work 60 hours or 40 you get paid for 40, unless you luck out and your company is one of the few that will to OT for salaried employees. You stay as long as it takes for the work to get done. I've had 80+ hour work weeks at times in the past. Talk to Evan, that kid pretty much always has 60 hours a week or more.

Some employers will allow you to use the stuff as comp time, but that is a case by case basis.

As for the expecting you to stay more than 8 hours in a day, again, if there's work that needs to be done to meat a deadline expect to stay more than 8 in a day.

But you didn't make $30,000/year either, and you wouldn't work those hours for such measly pay, for bosses that treated you like shit. I worked a few 40+ hour weeks as well, but I tried my best not to. I was salaried for what it is worth. Apparently there is a loophole as well, where professionals can not get overtime. As an environmental scientist, I was considered a "professional."

[CaptainHenreh]

Apparently there is a loophole as well, where professionals can not get overtime. As an environmental scientist, I was considered a "professional."

It's not really a loophole, it's being an employee exempt from the FLSA, due to the nature of your work.

[John]

But you didn't make $30,000/year either, and you wouldn't work those hours for such measly pay, for bosses that treated you like shit. I worked a few 40+ hour weeks as well, but I tried my best not to. I was salaried for what it is worth. Apparently there is a loophole as well, where professionals can not get overtime. As an environmental scientist, I was considered a "professional."

30K or not - you have to start somewhere. Unless you are going to prove that you want to invest extra effort into your work, you aren't going to get too far in life. Compensation doesn't always come immediately in a concrete form, but it will manifest in the long-term as you career matures as a result of your hard work.

[damnit458]

Here's the key:Now, while you could argue that the predator made "jumps of increasing length" because he was accelerating towards Kaan, Kaan was, for all intents and purposes, at his maximum stride (the speed limit).

Kaan having a limited speed is irrelevant. You are talking about exponentiation, and a predator tracking a prey traveling at speeds that are growing at exponential rates can achieve his goal. Kaan could have increased his speed forever, but as long as the officer was accelerating at any speed faster than kaan, he would have caught him after a certain amount of steps.

Obviously this would never hold (or kaan would have been in jail), and so your point is valid in real life, but all im sayign is it really shouldnt matter assuming kaan's car cant out accelerate the cops car.

In regards to the article I cannot think of anything in real life that accelerates at such speeds as towers. To go A^A^A^A... faster with each step would be incredible...

Say you're going 2 mph. If you excelerate at towers of 2 at every mile, by the third mile you would be going 2^16 mph...which is 16,384 mph.

[CaptainHenreh]

Kaan having a limited speed is irrelevant. You are talking about exponentiation, and a predator tracking a prey traveling at speeds that are growing at exponential rates can achieve his goal.

*I* am not talking about exponentiation, because it has no (as you mentioned) real-world application and certainly no application here. And that was my point.

[damnit458]

Kaan having a limited speed is irrelevant. You are talking about exponentiation, and a predator tracking a prey traveling at speeds that are growing at exponential rates can achieve his goal.

*I* am not talking about exponentiation, because it has no (as you mentioned) real-world application and certainly no application here. And that was my point.

You could have been . I guess I read something into yours while reading the other at the same time. Technically, exponential jumps are "jumps of increasing length." :wink:

[Ginger]

But you didn't make $30,000/year either, and you wouldn't work those hours for such measly pay, for bosses that treated you like shit. I worked a few 40+ hour weeks as well, but I tried my best not to. I was salaried for what it is worth. Apparently there is a loophole as well, where professionals can not get overtime. As an environmental scientist, I was considered a "professional."

And?

Your "loophole" is called a salary. It's not something that just you have to deal with. When you look at the job requirements you're given the opportunity to renegeotiate your salary based on anticipated workload... you get the chance on a routine (annually, usually) basis after your initial hire. I don't mean to be an asshole, but when you don't stand up and properly negeotiate for yourself then you've no right to complain when you're in a world of suck. And when your attitude reflects the situation you feel that you're in then you're only setting yourself up for complete and absolute failure. Nobody wants to hang on to a pissed off, inefficient employee.

You're not alone in not liking your job, or your bosses, or your salary. I don't particularly like any of mine... but what skills have I got? I'm still working on my degree, even! Everybody has to start somewhere, and you've got to prove yourself at each and every stepping stone no matter how good you THINK you are. For what it's worth, you need also to remember that compensation isn't purely monetary. I don't like the aspects listed above in my job, but when classes start again next month I will be switching to part time and have one of the most flexible, and best situations that I could possibly be in.

I understand that it blows to get canned. A lot of us understand what it's like to hate our jobs, too. But I don't really like the victimized retaliation that some folks tend to adopt when they've been let go. If there were a few things abut the job that caught you blindside then you need to store that information away and keep it in consideration when you're applying for your next job. The more informative resources you have on your side the better you'll come out on your next employment - you can't blame your employer for trying to get the mots out of you with the least amount of money, especially if you don't stand for anything else - that's how the market works. It's no secret.

[Dragon]

I'll reiterate what both John and Andrew have said. No matter what your pay was, you have to start somewhere. When I first started working at NFCU back in the day my salary was only 30K as well, and as a collections officer you never work just 40 hours, it's always a 50 or more hour workweek. You know that going in if you ask, or you find it out rather quickly and if you can't put up with it you don't last there. It's all about dedication and wanting something more. You show them you're willing to put in the work and effort to be there and you get rewarded. If you don't want to be at a job it shows, and assuming their need for a body to do the work doesn't outweigh their desire to "trim the fat" you get canned.

[Apoc]

Being salaried is great when there's less than 40 hours of work to do. I can't remember the last time I actually made it to 40 hours in a week... but there are times when I have worked late into the night and weekends so it all balances out.

I have nothing real to offer this thread. :roll:

P.S. - Matt's job sucks.

[Kaan]

the best part about salary is when we get the email about over billing.... my reply is... i know i worked more hours than you paid me for... its part of the deal... i just want it writen down

some days you work 12... some days you work 8. I've never had a day where i could just go home after 6... unless i request it... but it all pans out. plus when you get a salaried job... you kind of expect to get worked more... you just need to haggle on a salary that is worth the time you are going to spend.

for anyone who wants to work 40 hours a week... and just 40 hours... wal-mart is accepting applications.

[BLINGMW]

...and you wouldn't work those hours for such measly pay, for bosses that treated you like shit.

well sorry you got canned, but if the place sucked than maybe it's for the best. FWIW, I make even less than you did, and I do expect to work a little beyond 40hrs/wk as it's a small place and there's tons to do here, but I like it and so do others here. That's what matters most to me. I'd rather work for much less and enjoy it (assuming I didn't have to live in a box), rather than hate work for twice the $$. Since you've got a degree, there's not much reason to put up with a work environment you don't enjoy. Unless of course you value money more than your life.

And seriously. Step one is getting out of NOVA. :wink:

[Maengelito]

so wait, lemme get this straight...

the police officer that pulled kaan over has been working more than 40 hrs a week but not getting overtime pay or comp time. therefore it would've been impossible for the cop to accelerate faster than kaan without breaking the law while kaan was working more than 40 hrs a week. so if the cop also cited him for the illegal exhaust while the cop defied the laws in the space-time continuum by speeding at an exponential rate, then feersty shouldnt have been fired. right?

[Apoc]

I think that just about covers it.

[Dragon]

so wait, lemme get this straight...

the police officer that pulled kaan over has been working more than 40 hrs a week but not getting overtime pay or comp time. therefore it would've been impossible for the cop to accelerate faster than kaan without breaking the law while kaan was working more than 40 hrs a week. so if the cop also cited him for the illegal exhaust while the cop defied the laws in the space-time continuum by speeding at an exponential rate, then feersty shouldnt have been fired. right?

:lol: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA *takes a breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[BLINGMW]

it's called like the butterfly effect or something :lol:

[Sijray21]

And seriously. Step one is getting out of NOVA. :wink:

actually step one is build experience and skills and live in a cheap/fun place

step two: get a high bill-rate and move wherever the F you want and work out of DC or another place that's fun with a high per diem rate

to the Job talk, i think Feersty is in a position right now to go after a proper salary and good working environment. from the sound of it, you should've left a while ago. I know if i were getting paid that much i would still try hard at my job and i would also spend every other moment looking for another one and get out of the current one in a heartbeat. Unfortunately if you don't have a good relationship with your previous employer and let your skills become stale because of something that you did then it will be exponentially difficult to get a job more or less a better one.

Some are fortunate to start in a higher paying base salary and regardless of what you're getting paid you have to put forth effort at your job to establish a good work reputation foundation - give them a reason to give you more money and also for you to request more money. The first question an employer is going to ask you if you go to them asking for $60k a year or something is, "why should i pay you this much?".

[ScottyB]

so wait, lemme get this straight...

the police officer that pulled kaan over has been working more than 40 hrs a week but not getting overtime pay or comp time. therefore it would've been impossible for the cop to accelerate faster than kaan without breaking the law while kaan was working more than 40 hrs a week. so if the cop also cited him for the illegal exhaust while the cop defied the laws in the space-time continuum by speeding at an exponential rate, then feersty shouldnt have been fired. right?

haha, oh man the last sentence is when i completely lost it.

[Feersty]

so wait, lemme get this straight...

the police officer that pulled kaan over has been working more than 40 hrs a week but not getting overtime pay or comp time. therefore it would've been impossible for the cop to accelerate faster than kaan without breaking the law while kaan was working more than 40 hrs a week. so if the cop also cited him for the illegal exhaust while the cop defied the laws in the space-time continuum by speeding at an exponential rate, then feersty shouldnt have been fired. right?

Well put Maeng. Laughing my ass off.

[HAULN-SS]

You fags. I was clearly making too far out of an observation. I KNOW that it is possible for the hare to catch the tortoise - if anything, by observation. I was just trying to add a little fun into this thread, since the topic is 1) all over the place and 2) of a serious nature.