Im not necessarily going with parts that wont let my car start every morning. I planned on huge plans with this car like eventually mid 11s to even high 10s with the setup I was going to go with. This was when I was into drag racing only. I have since discovered that its very expensive (duh!) and that money I would spend there, I would rather spend in suspension and making the car lighter. If I hadnt decided to switch over then I wouldnt have even thought of buying a big16g which is nowhere close to what I would have needed. I was going all out with dsmlink, wideband, fmic, huge turbo, Shep tranny, and all those goodies. I really dont need dsmlink and a huge turbo and rebuilt shep tranny to run mid to high 12s. It would be almost overkill, as I said, im still deciding. Going the S-AFC route would be much cheaper and I would be able to spend money on other things.
PS...I am over-anal about stuff before it goes into my car decided on price/value/quality. I spent 5 months researching and finding prices and specs and looks on every wheel that I could find. I finally found a good balance. Only thing ive ever regretted on my car is to get stupid axxis metalmasters instead of switching in real track pads during my summit point event.
2020 Ford Raptor
2009 Z06
1986.5 Porsche 928S
I'm not convinced that DSMs blow up all the time either. Sure, they are prone to breaking, but no more than any other car thier age. On top of that, it appears to be a well developed engine that makes power easily and fairly reliably. I'm more worried about stopping and turning a DSM.
Stick with the link.
-T
MIHS - hot cause we fly you ain't so you not
2004 Subaru WRX STi
1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1998 Oldsmobile Cutlass
Dave Wrote:I'm not convinced that DSMs blow up all the time either.
Another thing to consider is track + turbo = heat, and lots of it. You need to manage that... bigger radiator, oil cooling possibly hood venting.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
.RJ Wrote:Dave Wrote:I'm not convinced that DSMs blow up all the time either.
Another thing to consider is track + turbo = heat, and lots of it. You need to manage that... bigger radiator, oil cooling possibly hood venting.
IIRC, Some DSM's (though curiously, not all) had oil coolers, and it's relatively easy thing to install. Just sayin. Maybe trav can back me up on that.
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Real oil coolers or one of those wanna be oil coolers off the back of the block in front of the filter thats really just an oil heater?
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
I don't know what you're talking about RJ. What outside of the engine/turbo is going to heat up?
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MIHS - hot cause we fly you ain't so you not
2004 Subaru WRX STi
1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1998 Oldsmobile Cutlass
KPWSerpiente Wrote:What outside of the engine/turbo is going to heat up?
You're kidding, right?
Lets break this down. Turbos make lots of heat. Right? Now where does that heat go? It doesnt just "go away". It heats up everything under hood, and keeping coolant and oil temps in check with that much underhood heat is tough - its tough enough without a turbo on a 200hp 4-cyl. Not to mention all the other things under the hood. Same with brakes - lots of heat cooks everything inside the wheel. Balljoints, bushings, abs wires/sensors, etc.
If all you have is a tiny cooler sitting on the block, it does nothing but heat up the oil on track.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
No...I'm not kidding.
Explain to me how oil that is super hot because of sloshing around underneath a piston or from traveling through the center section of a turbo is going to get HOTTER from being exposed to underhood temps.
Either way, there is nothing fake about the oil cooler that came on some 1990 dsms.
-T
MIHS - hot cause we fly you ain't so you not
2004 Subaru WRX STi
1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1998 Oldsmobile Cutlass
KPWSerpiente Wrote:Explain to me how oil that is super hot because of sloshing around underneath a piston or from traveling through the center section of a turbo is going to get HOTTER from being exposed to underhood temps.
What arent you getting? Turbos make lots of heat, and it cooks everything. Maybe you dont notice this because you dont ever run your car at WOT for more than 14 seconds at a time at the dragstrip, but when you run a turbo car on track for 20-30 minutes at a time, shit gets HOT, and it stays hot. There's no where for the heat to go, and its hard to keep temps stabilized at a reasonable level running it hard for that amount of time. Its not impossible at all, it just requires more work, preparation, and some dilligence to monitor the temps.
Quote:Either way, there is nothing fake about the oil cooler that came on some 1990 dsms.
Unless its plumbed to the front bumper/grill, then its an oil heater.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
i have this "oil heater" on the A4. everyone in the audi community strongly advises against tracking with it on. oil temps will easily sail past 250+ with it on there during extended high load/high rpm driving. it's nice in the winter though.
i think that although oil temps will reach a point where more airflow isn't going to really do much, anything helps. i guess the point could also be made that the block itself is a heatsink....the more airflow the better.
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.RJ Wrote:Unless its plumbed to the front bumper/grill, then its an oil heater. they are "plumbed" into the water lines. water is a much more efficient heat transfer medium than air. and while i wont argue that a dedicated oil cooler will be more effective, there is quantitative results at least in the subaru community that the OE oil coolers work well enough to drop oil temps
How much temp drop?
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Sorry Rj...I guess the diamgram isn't that clear...it sits in the driver side of the front bumper on a dsm.
Also, I'm simply asking you how one of your 'fake' oil coolers is going to heat up oil more than no oil cooler at all.
Answer: It can't...because the hottest the oil will ever get is at the turbo or inside the engine. Maybe your thinking that a 'fake' oil cooler is going to help it stay hot...but that isn't the same as heating it up.
I appreciate the fact that Evan, you and some others have mad track experience and that I'm just a poor stupid drag racer who doesn't understand how a things work in the car world...but please guys, you only sound like punks every time you try and remind me that I enjoy building the car as much as driving it.
-T
MIHS - hot cause we fly you ain't so you not
2004 Subaru WRX STi
1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1998 Oldsmobile Cutlass
KPWSerpiente Wrote:Maybe your thinking that a 'fake' oil cooler is going to help it stay hot...but that isn't the same as heating it up.
Uh... that *is* the same thing.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Sorry but I dont see how you can say that DSMs are stupi dand we have a "fake" oil cooler. Some came with air/water oil coolers that are setup to receive air from the front. Please dont assume if you dont know the whole story. Also I have tracked at summit point albeit once, it was for 25 minutes straight and I was completely fine at speed because enough air gets to the engine when its forced against it. However at a stop I did notice temps rise, just a little bit, but nowhere near dangerous.
2020 Ford Raptor
2009 Z06
1986.5 Porsche 928S
Sorry for the ass-u-me-ption, but thats what every other OEM cooler setup I've seen has, except for porche's and rx7's.
As far as your car not getting hot, you went out one time in the novice group  Dave is in the advanced/solo group and he's pretty fast - so he's going to be a lot harder on the car.
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
Yes, I was with a bunch of novices, but really the only time the engine is really getting hot is when your full throttle on a long stretch, now I dont see how that would be any different from a novice group and an advanced/solo group. Both groups are pinning the throttle on the straights. or...at least I do.
Also, if your tracking the car, theres a few things you sohuld do, AKA oil change and tuneup stuff, plus you put on better brakes, an external oil cooler, which would be easy to placve somewher ein a dsm cuz weve either got the stock intercooler spot, front mount spot, or on the other side with that where it would receive DIRECT air. Come on guys, transmission coolers and oil coolers are like what? 50 bucks?
2020 Ford Raptor
2009 Z06
1986.5 Porsche 928S
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:now I dont see how that would be any different from a novice group and an advanced/solo group. Both groups are pinning the throttle on the straights. or...at least I do.
You need to ride with me sometime, and then tell me the shit doesnt get abused or hotter than a novice student...
Its a big difference.
Quote: Come on guys, transmission coolers and oil coolers are like what? 50 bucks?
Wont need a tranny cooler - change fluid often. A proper oil cooler setup is going to run you $250-$300. Sandwich plate adapter, lines, fittings, cooler, etc....
(09-25-2019, 03:18 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote: I think you need to see a mental health professional.
my stock shit was overheating on shenandoah 
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