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[CaptainHenreh]

yes, which is dissappointing considering all that was done to bring out younger voters.

I guess that Puff Daddy just isn't all that scary. Honestly I think most young people don't give a shit, or don't have any clue on how to go about getting registered, etc.

Democracy is stupid anyway.

You pinko commie bastard!

Hey man, sticks and stones. Democracy sucks. The average person is far too stupid and far too easily manipulated to be given the immense responsibility of even helping to run such a massive, powerful organization as the United States of America.

[JohnC]

yes, which is dissappointing considering all that was done to bring out younger voters.

I guess that Puff Daddy just isn't all that scary. Honestly I think most young people don't give a shit, or don't have any clue on how to go about getting registered, etc.

Democracy is stupid anyway.

You pinko commie bastard!

Hey man, sticks and stones. Democracy sucks. The average person is far too stupid and far too easily manipulated to be given the immense responsibility of even helping to run such a massive, powerful organization as the United States of America.

Which is why we elect people to office to take care of it. That's what you do in a Republic :-D

[Mike]

so vote for a third party candidate. if nobody votes for them they will recieve no recognition. if they receive no recognition they will not be taken seriously.

doing nothing surely isn't the right answer.

an excellent point.
even if a candidate has no hope to win, getting votes, and getting the candidates name on the results reports is important to building a base following.

there is no such thing as not voting out of protest.
its called not voting out of laziness

To you it maybe not voting out of laziness, to me it's not voting out of disgust for the options available to me. I'm not saying that I'm protesting, I'm just not going to waste my time to have my vote go to waste. Third parties come and go so what's the point in "building a base" it'll just be someone new from another group next time. They receive no recognition because they don't build up enough interest and following prior to the election. Did you see any sort of option on TV last night that was tracking the third party electoral votes, no, cause everyone realizes they have no chance of winning.

third parties come and go? how in the hell are they supposed to stick around if people such as yourself look at it as a wasted vote and don't show up to show support? they receive no recognition because of defeatist attitudes like yours.

argh! you are the reason... that is the irony.

[CaptainHenreh]

Which is why we elect people to office to take care of it. That's what you do in a Republic :-D

Yuh, yuh, I know. But stupid, easily manipulated people are electing the officials.

[Mike]

Which is why we elect people to office to take care of it. That's what you do in a Republic :-D

Yuh, yuh, I know. But stupid, easily manipulated people are electing the officials.

yup, take a look at the exit polls by level of education...

[CaptainHenreh]

yup, take a look at the exit polls by level of education...

exit poll != anything

[JohnC]

so vote for a third party candidate. if nobody votes for them they will recieve no recognition. if they receive no recognition they will not be taken seriously.

doing nothing surely isn't the right answer.

an excellent point.
even if a candidate has no hope to win, getting votes, and getting the candidates name on the results reports is important to building a base following.

there is no such thing as not voting out of protest.
its called not voting out of laziness

To you it maybe not voting out of laziness, to me it's not voting out of disgust for the options available to me. I'm not saying that I'm protesting, I'm just not going to waste my time to have my vote go to waste. Third parties come and go so what's the point in "building a base" it'll just be someone new from another group next time. They receive no recognition because they don't build up enough interest and following prior to the election. Did you see any sort of option on TV last night that was tracking the third party electoral votes, no, cause everyone realizes they have no chance of winning.

third parties come and go? how in the hell are they supposed to stick around if people such as yourself look at it as a wasted vote and don't show up to show support? they receive no recognition because of defeatist attitudes like yours.

argh! you are the reason... that is the irony.

Agreed. Maybe not defeatist, but brain-washed to say the least. And not voting has got to be the dumbest thing to do - write in Mickey Mouse or I.P. Freely, because at least if you cast a ballot you're counted as giving a damn.

Like Mike implied, anybody who DIDN'T FUCKING VOTE should just sit on their hands and shut the hell up about who does or doesn't have a chance.

[Mike]

yup, take a look at the exit polls by level of education...

exit poll != anything

that is like saying the elections didn't mean anything. i am with you, not against you in the belief that stupid people elect the president.

[Dragon]

third parties come and go? how in the hell are they supposed to stick around if people such as yourself look at it as a wasted vote and don't show up to show support? they receive no recognition because of defeatist attitudes like yours.

argh! you are the reason... that is the irony.

Actually no irony cause I never said I was disappointed or upset that the third parties don't stick around. I don't expect them to stick around, this is a two party system afterall. Now it would be ironic if I had said I was upset about the third parties not sticking around and then said I refuse to waste my vote. I may have a defeatist attitude about the third parties, but it's an honest attitude, would you disagree with me that they have no chance of winning, I think not.

[CaptainHenreh]

yup, take a look at the exit polls by level of education...

exit poll != anything

that is like saying the elections didn't mean anything. i am with you, not against you in the belief that stupid people elect the president.

I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I was just saying that exit polls, indeed, polls in general are stupid. According to an exit poll I heard yesterday morning, in virginia a "majority" (yes, that's what they said) of Republicans were voting for Kerry. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Without knowing the circumstances and methods of a poll, a poll is in itself meaningless. I mean, if you look at the CNN exit poll for Virginia, they only interviewed a little over 1400 people....a piddling sample for such a massive undertaking. And for they national they only had 13,660 respondents.

66% of cats surveyed like climbing on furniture, and waking my ass up early in the morning.

[Dragon]

write in Mickey Mouse or I.P. Freely, because at least if you cast a ballot you're counted as giving a damn.

Yeah I am counted as giving a damn for not having my vote mean a damn thing. Sorry I got better things to do with my time than waste my time in a meaningless gesture.

[Mike]

third parties come and go? how in the hell are they supposed to stick around if people such as yourself look at it as a wasted vote and don't show up to show support? they receive no recognition because of defeatist attitudes like yours.

argh! you are the reason... that is the irony.

Actually no irony cause I never said I was disappointed or upset that the third parties don't stick around. I don't expect them to stick around, this is a two party system afterall. Now it would be ironic if I had said I was upset about the third parties not sticking around and then said I refuse to waste my vote. I may have a defeatist attitude about the third parties, but it's an honest attitude, would you disagree with me that they have no chance of winning, I think not.

no, but what you don't seem to realize is people that look at it that way (yourself) are the reason! you don't seem to be comprehending exactly what i'm saying.

[Mike]

write in Mickey Mouse or I.P. Freely, because at least if you cast a ballot you're counted as giving a damn.

Yeah I am counted as giving a damn for not having my vote mean a damn thing. Sorry I got better things to do with my time than waste my time in a meaningless gesture.

lets be honest, no you don't.

[bassmangrammy]

I voted at like 10:30. I done pick'id da winner.

[Dragon]

no, but what you don't seem to realize is people that look at it that way (yourself) are the reason! you don't seem to be comprehending exactly what i'm saying.

I do realize that it's attitudes like mine that make people look at third parties this way, but I still fail to see the irony. Until people stop being so narrowminded as fo fall in line with one of the parties candidates even if they don't truly agree with that person and give a good look at a third party candidate there's no way that third party has any choice.

My earlier thread asked for people to say why they supported a particular candidate, but if you looked at a good number of the responses it was reasons they didn't like the other candidate. People have it in their head that if they don't like one of the two main candidates that they have to vote for the other main, and it's attitudes like that that truly make it impossible for a third party candidate to have any chance. A good number of people in this country don't vote for a candidate cause they like and support them, they vote for a candidate because they dislike the other candidate. No offense to you who do this but that's the wrong way to pick a leader. Oh I don't really like you, but I really don't like the other option so I'll vote for you, they ignore any other possibility because they are brainwashed into thinking that if they're not supporting one they should support the other.

So you know what, if I don't like either of the two main's I'm not going to vote for either, but until a third party candidate actually has a decent chance of winning an election I'll find something better to do with my time.

[bassmangrammy]

no, but what you don't seem to realize is people that look at it that way (yourself) are the reason! you don't seem to be comprehending exactly what i'm saying.

I do realize that it's attitudes like mine that make people look at third parties this way, but I still fail to see the irony. Until people stop being so narrowminded as fo fall in line with one of the parties candidates even if they don't truly agree with that person and give a good look at a third party candidate there's no way that third party has any choice.

I'm a conservative, christian, capitalist. I'm republican, period.

[Dragon]

I'm a conservative, christian, capitalist. I'm republican, period.

Ok that's fine, but what if the republican party put forward a candidate who's ideas and morals you didn't agree with. They're a republican, you're a republican, would you vote for them solely because they're the republican option, would you vote for the democrat because they aren't this republican candidate that you don't agree with, or would you actually consider a third party.

[bassmangrammy]

I'm a virginia resident: my vote doesn't matter. Enough said. ....but seriously, I don't think a republican can make it through the primary elections with morals/ideas that counter the status quo of the party.

But I'm in favor of our governor Warner (D) because he is a fiscal conservative democrat.

[Dragon]

Well my example was completely hypothetical.

What do you mean your vote doesn't matter. If you're a republican and you care about your republican candidate you should vote for them, not voting when you actually support someone, now that is laziness.

[Mike]

until a third party candidate actually has a decent chance of winning an election I'll find something better to do with my time.

you still don't get it... i give up.