Rusto-roller paint tutorial

white_2kgt · 02-12-2007, 04:25 PM

.RJ Wrote:...and orange peel is poor prep work.

EVERY paint job will have orange peel, the only way to get it out totally is wet sanding/buffing.

HAULN-SS · 02-12-2007, 04:27 PM

Swirl marks happen when the primer starts to let go of the metal, underneath your top coat. I'm not talking about those "fine lines" that you can see in the sunshine, those arent swirl marks, those are fine scratches.

white_2kgt · 02-12-2007, 04:29 PM

HAULN-SS Wrote:Edit: Also, lets see that paint in 5 years. A lot of those jobs look OK the first 2 years, but eventually the use of cheap primer, mixmatched primer-paint, or cheap paint will start to show in the form of swirl marks, fish eyes, orange peel, etc.

So take them the paint you want them to use, no problem there. It won't peel if the prep work is done correctly, it just won't. There isn't anything magical Maaco can do during spraying that will make a shitty job, that's all has to do w/ the person using the Gun and I'm telling you, there's no difference in him and the newest monkey at the body shop around the corner. I've been to my fair share of them, they all came from the same gene pool.

swirl marks? hu?

fish eyes is b/c of poor prep work again, you have to spray on a clean surface, you can get prep spray from Eastwood to take care of this NO PROBLEM.

Orangle Peel, like I said, every job will have orange peel, a little wet sanding and buffing w/ the proper rubbing compound will take it right out.

white_2kgt · 02-12-2007, 04:31 PM

HAULN-SS Wrote:Swirl marks happen when the primer starts to let go of the metal, underneath your top coat.

Point<-.......................................................................................>you

Missed it by a country MILE.

This is PREP WORK whoever did the primer work did a shit job. I'm telling, just let maaco lay the color and it will be a FINE job. I wouldn't let them do prep work for a tri cycle.

HAULN-SS · 02-12-2007, 04:36 PM

I disagree with you about the donkeys working at the shop. Generally the guys who own their own shops were the ones who were good enough they went out on their own. The donkey in the shop is probably some vocational guy just learning, or someone who had a shop, but couldnt keep business so settled for there. And i bet there's a reason he couldnt keep business. A lot less likely you're going to find any 20 year experienced pro's in a maaco.

Right - fish eyes is because of their being oil or somethign else on the surface that causes it not to stick. Using Dawn or any other dish soap is the best way to avoid fish eyes, it will cut grease/oil on the surface as good as anything.

HAULN-SS · 02-12-2007, 04:38 PM

Laying the primer is part of the spraying, not the prep work, IMHO.

Prep work should consist of filling, sanding and smoothing. for 1000$ they should lay the primer too.

white_2kgt · 02-12-2007, 04:43 PM

HAULN-SS Wrote:I disagree with you about the donkeys working at the shop. Generally the guys who own their own shops were the ones who were good enough they went out on their own. The donkey in the shop is probably some vocational guy just learning, or someone who had a shop, but couldnt keep business so settled for there. And i bet there's a reason he couldnt keep business. A lot less likely you're going to find any 20 year experienced pro's in a maaco.

None of the shops I've been into was the owner laying color. He had some 25yr old 'donkeys' laying the color and he would sign off on it.

HAULN-SS Wrote:Laying the primer is part of the spraying, not the prep work, IMHO.

Prep work should consist of filling, sanding and smoothing. for 1000$ they should lay the primer too.

How do you fill sand and smooth w/o laying primer? How do you know what needs to be fille, sanded and smooth with NO primer being applied? If you can lay the filler primer to do those task you should be able to spray the final coat of primer, and I'm not talking about paying Maaco 1k, I'm talking about paying them 2-300 to lay color.

HAULN-SS · 02-12-2007, 04:49 PM

What do you mean how do you know what needs to be filled? Presumable the car has some paint on it before you get to it. You take it in the light, put pieces of tape everywhere you see a ding, take a picture of the car witht he tape pieces on it, sand it, strip it, refer to pictures to find the places that need filling again. Fill, blocksand...take to shop to get primer + paint

white_2kgt · 02-12-2007, 05:41 PM

HAULN-SS Wrote:What do you mean how do you know what needs to be filled? Presumable the car has some paint on it before you get to it. You take it in the light, put pieces of tape everywhere you see a ding, take a picture of the car witht he tape pieces on it, sand it, strip it, refer to pictures to find the places that need filling again. Fill, blocksand...take to shop to get primer + paint

what?? tape, pictures, hu? This is basic body work. You sand, apply thin coat of filler, prime, block stand, look for low places, more filler, prime (different color) block sand, repeat until all surfaces are even. This is the same process if the car already has paint.

HAULN-SS · 02-12-2007, 05:44 PM

That sounds like a good way to end up wtih paint that still has ripples showing in it. How can you see where the slight ripples are when you dont have any shine to refract the light a little so you can tell where they are? Unless you're talking about applying a thing coat of filler over the entire car. That's just crazy talk though.

CaptainHenreh · 02-12-2007, 07:28 PM

HAULN-SS Wrote:That sounds like a good way to end up wtih paint that still has ripples showing in it. How can you see where the slight ripples are when you dont have any shine to refract the light a little so you can tell where they are? Unless you're talking about applying a thing coat of filler over the entire car. That's just crazy talk though.

How do YOU fill dents and low spots?

Kaan · 02-12-2007, 07:35 PM

CaptainHenreh Wrote:How do YOU fill dents and low spots?

BFH

CaptainHenreh · 02-12-2007, 07:41 PM

Kaan Wrote:
CaptainHenreh Wrote:How do YOU fill dents and low spots?

BFH

I didn't ask how RJ's mom fills her low spot.

HAULN-SS · 02-12-2007, 07:52 PM

Of course using body filler..I'm just saying that I dont think you "smooth over the whole car"...that's a shitty way of doing it.

Feersty · 02-12-2007, 07:53 PM

Great writeup Dave! Very informative!

white_2kgt · 02-12-2007, 08:55 PM

HAULN-SS Wrote:Of course using body filler..I'm just saying that I dont think you "smooth over the whole car"...that's a shitty way of doing it.

you can bet your ass I'm going to block sand the entire car. Doing this to the old color will let you know right away where the low spots are, which you can go back later and throw some mud in and block sand again.

.RJ · 02-12-2007, 09:05 PM

HAULN-SS Wrote:I'm just saying that I dont think you "smooth over the whole car"...that's a shitty way of doing it.

How else are you supposed to find the low spots? If the panel is flat, you'll sand it away anyways. I cant think of a way....

Keep in mind my body work experience is pretty limited. I'd like to learn to paint.

HAULN-SS · 02-12-2007, 09:14 PM

Im not saying you shouldnt sand the whole car, I'm saying you shouldnt rub body filler over the entire car to "find the low spots."

This gives you a thin layer of mud over places that dont need any at all.

Ginger · 02-12-2007, 09:29 PM

I think RJ's saying that if the panel is flat you'll sand away the thin layer of mud you're talking about... he's asking how you're going to find the low spots at all without a layer of mud to reveal them under sanding.

.RJ · 02-12-2007, 09:45 PM

Ginger gets it.

Sure, its extra work but you're sure to find the low spots.

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