Political Flame War (Split from Found my Next Truck)

[HAULN-SS]

wow, i didnt read this forum for a couple days..didnt realize how interesting it had become

[damnit458]

I also see no reason for roadracing/autox/tracking a car.

Then why in the hell are you the VP of a Motorsports club?

The question you should be asking yourself is why did you elect me? :lol:

All kidding aside, G hit the nail on the head.

[white_2kgt]

I also see no reason for roadracing/autox/tracking a car.

Then why in the hell are you the VP of a Motorsports club?

The question you should be asking yourself is why did you elect me? :lol:

All kidding aside, G hit the nail on the head.

oh, phew, had me worried there for a minute, one can never tell. Glad we only have one Jack(ass) on the forum :roll:

[Evan]

How can you possibly come brand an entire political group on the actions of one stupid kid? Who are you to criticize? Im sure whoever you are affiliated with (or you yourself) follows through on every idea they have, and never bitch about anything wrong in this world.

Who said anything about a particular political group? If you are associating the behavior that I describe with a political group, its only because its exhibited by the left wing liberals the vast majority of the time. You pinned that one, not me.
Maybe you should read my post again. I have no problem with holding and voicing opinions, its a fantastic right of this country.
Its when you turn those opinions into negativity, destruction and breaking the law that I have a problem with. Which Jack said he was happy about.
There are some wackos bombing abortion clinics, but Im sure as shit not coming out and saying how happy I am that they bombed the evil clinics.

[G.Irish]

Its when you turn those opinions into negativity, destruction and breaking the law that I have a problem with.

Too far to either side of the political spectrum and you get into violence and/or authoritarianism.

[Kaan]

its not one little liberal kid that stereo typed them... from the 60s to current day... instead of protesting (their constitutional right) they do stupid shit like the world bank guys, the hummer vandal, the tree huggers burning down homes (yes that was local), etc.

thanks for getting my blood to boil this early in the morning... its fun!

[damnit458]

Mike, people... we... americans... buy that garbage. I was so happy for that CalTech kid that vandalized the hummers. Those beverly hills bitches deserved every scratch.

Ill never understand your kind.
Instead of working constructively to fix the parts of our society that you dont agree with, all you can do is think destructively, talk about how much everything sucks, destroy property, break the law and get a self-righteous warm fuzzy feeling inside for fightin da man.

I dont know what that looks like to you, but to me that looks like you labeling one political group (that being the one you believe jack belongs to, one seemingly very liberal group).

[damnit458]

Its when you turn those opinions into negativity, destruction and breaking the law that I have a problem with.

Too far to either side of the political spectrum and you get into violence and/or authoritarianism.

Exactly. The only difference now is that there is nobody to sit here and bad mouth rightist political groups, harping on things that they tend to do. In no way shape or form am I defending the stupid actions undertaken by some radical leftists (such as those who burned the houses down that Kaan was referring to, which was right down the street from me ), but I am also not going to sit here and act like liberals are the only ones making stupid moves. If you want, you can give me a day to research and find lots of shit about right wing political activists and Ill post my findings at the end of the day. Although to be fair, me sitting on my ass and listening to music would be much more fun.

[Kaan]

all you'll find on right wing political activist is abortion clinic bombings... which i feel they should go to jail for or even die.

its not that the right wing does no wrong. but i feel the liberals of this country have embraced a criminal element... ted kennedy comes to mind... PETA... etc. bring the fight... i'm loving this!

[damnit458]

all you'll find on right wing political activist is abortion clinic bombings... which i feel they should go to jail for or even die.

its not that the right wing does no wrong. but i feel the liberals of this country have embraced a criminal element... ted kennedy comes to mind... PETA... etc. bring the fight... i'm loving this!

heh yeah its been a while since the forum has been this lively. Kaan you need to get on more, it seems you stir up quite a debate

[Kaan]

i am the self proclaimed "right wing" of MM...

and really i thought that one of my big flaws was i didnt care about the "gay rights" issues... let them have them... well until last night. i was at "screen on the green" in d.c. with this young lady friend and two gay men were PDAing the hell out of each other...

society didnt teach me to feel like puking when i saw this. but i was so sick... it was foul and disgusting... and i'm scared for life... i need a long passionate night with RJs mom just to get over it.

[.RJ]

The only difference now is that there is nobody to sit here and bad mouth rightist political groups

Go back and read what Jack posted - you seem to have forgotten why evan posted what he did. "Your kind" includes a liberal tree hugging group, but thats not the group that was being pointed out.

[Kaan]

Jackoff is a lost cause... i wrote him off a long time ago... i thought it was funny that he drove a wankel and hugged trees at the same time.

[ViPER1313]

its not that the right wing does no wrong.

but Im sure as shit not coming out and saying how happy I am that they bombed the evil clinics.

all you'll find on right wing political activist is abortion clinic bombings... which i feel they should go to jail for or even die.

I don't see how people can argue this stuff unless you can argue what is really right and wrong to begin with. As far as I see it, there is no absolute right or wrong, only shades of grey, and those change on a constant basis. People on the right wing see their views as right, leftists too, and I don't think you can quantify it in that manor. Are abortion clinics "evil?" Are the people that bomb them murderers or martyrs for the righteous cause? It goes over to terrorism too - in the eyes of Islamic extremists they are fighting a holy cause that is ÔÇ£rightÔÇØ and worth taking their lives and the lives of "innocent" people. How is our Western Christian moral standard superior to theirs?

[Kaan]

lets just argue this then... i am right and you guys are wrong ANY ILLEGAL act is wrong... for any cause. especially here where you have propper and legal means to change things... if you are in the minority... suck it up and live with it... i had to live through the clinton years didnt i?

[damnit458]

Unfortunately, again, you can only take that arguement so far. Eventually you get into the idea of objective truths, mainly an objective right and wrong, or perhaps a completely subjective reality, at which point there is nowhere to go.

For example, who can rightly condemn what the Nazi party did during the 1930's and 1940's? They believed that what they were doing was right, so who are we to judge. Even more so, that was a different time. How can this culture try and judge another culture living in a completely different situation?

[Kaan]

your philosophy would bring the world to anarchy. Murder is wrong... Rape is wrong... if you want to know why... because the majority says so. the majority will always control the minority until the minority is no longer that... through convincing others and legal protests... through logic... not with your quack ideas of right and wrong.

[Kaan]

Jackoff let the dog off the chain... lets get into this... dont get quiet on me.

[ViPER1313]

Unfortunately, again, you can only take that arguement so far. Eventually you get into the idea of objective truths, mainly an objective right and wrong, or perhaps a completely subjective reality, at which point there is nowhere to go.

For example, who can rightly condemn what the Nazi party did during the 1930's and 1940's? They believed that what they were doing was right, so who are we to judge. Even more so, that was a different time. How can this culture try and judge another culture living in a completely different situation?

your philosophy would bring the world to anarchy. Murder is wrong... Rape is wrong... if you want to know why... because the majority says so. the majority will always control the minority until the minority is no longer that... through convincing others and legal protests... through logic... not with your quack ideas of right and wrong.

If the Nazi party had succeeded in their efforts you would be singing a different tune. ItÔÇÖs Darwinistic, the strongest survive, whether dealing with tangible objects or moral ideals. History is written by the victors.

For every horrible act you can think of, no matter how morally wrong, there comes a time when that act is no longer wrong. Look at the rape of a small child - horrible, immoral, and evil. Now what if you were put in the position that you had to rape a kid or a room full of 50 hostages would be shot? Would you do it? Is it still wrong at that point in time? You still have a choice.

[damnit458]

Unfortunately, again, you can only take that arguement so far. Eventually you get into the idea of objective truths, mainly an objective right and wrong, or perhaps a completely subjective reality, at which point there is nowhere to go.

For example, who can rightly condemn what the Nazi party did during the 1930's and 1940's? They believed that what they were doing was right, so who are we to judge. Even more so, that was a different time. How can this culture try and judge another culture living in a completely different situation?

your philosophy would bring the world to anarchy. Murder is wrong... Rape is wrong... if you want to know why... because the majority says so. the majority will always control the minority until the minority is no longer that... through convincing others and legal protests... through logic... not with your quack ideas of right and wrong.

If the Nazi party had succeeded in their efforts you would be singing a different tune. ItÔÇÖs Darwinistic, the strongest survive, whether dealing with tangible objects or moral ideals. History is written by the victors.

For every horrible act you can think of, no matter how morally wrong, there comes a time when that act is no longer wrong. Look at the rape of a small child - horrible, immoral, and evil. Now what if you were put in the position that you had to rape a kid or a room full of 50 hostages would be shot? Would you do it? Is it still wrong at that point in time? You still have a choice.

I think you both are missing the point. I understand that history is written by the victor; Im not arguing with that. What Im saying is there IS no write or wrong (while im playing devils advocate anyway).

In response to kaan, you're right. If what I said took precedence over all else there would be anarchy. That is why people tend not to live by this principle. However, that does not mean that what I say is necesiarly wrong or right. Just because human beings choose to ignore something doesnt mean that what they ignore is wrong. It just means that acting like there is an objective right and wrong (which as adam points out is outlined by those that are in charge) makes life easier in the long run.

Adam, what you say isnt an arguement about right and wrong, its more an arguement about the lesser evil, or perhaps more commonly, the greater good. Sacrifice one life for 10? 2? 5? We've all seen this arguement in some kind of book or movie (swordfish comes to mind immeidately). That does not mean that raping a little girl to save 50 ppl isnt wrong. In my opinion raping a little girl period is wrong. All it means is your willing to commit that wrong to do a greater good.