07-07-2015, 01:42 PM
Man will you Jabronis let the Aluminum Shiek over there do what he wants? Damn.
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07-07-2015, 01:42 PM
Man will you Jabronis let the Aluminum Shiek over there do what he wants? Damn.
1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442
07-07-2015, 01:44 PM
Kaan Wrote:I'm seeing 240+ in the engine bay, specifically the frame rail between the header and radiator. the frame rail I hit with the infrared was at least 6 inches away from the radiator and 10 inches from the header. the header is already wrapped. that seems like WAY too much to me. this coupled with my 260 degree oil temps make me feel I need to try to evacuate the air in the engine bay.So what was your procedure then? Is that run a session, come back to paddock, shut off car, and measure? While it's 10" away, that's 10" away from a 500 deg thing, with little moving air for a couple minutes as you pull in, so it doesn't strike me as alarming. Could be totally different when at speed. And obviously I'm no Honda guy, but 260 deg oil temp isn't outside of normal either. Can you run a session without a hood to compare? And put a damn factory undertray back in before being worried about front end turbulence, you've tossed aero right out the window anyway! Well you got me thinking about it now so the Miata already has two dataloggers strapped in for the ride home.
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07-07-2015, 01:48 PM
Kaan Wrote:that's actually not the goal. go pick up subscription to racecar engineering and read up for the next 5 years. Shit I know how to engineer. I cut springs once. Felt like I was on rails and handled like a Ferrari, but what do I know? All I see is ![]() Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
07-07-2015, 01:58 PM
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Jabronis Cool word. Now: 07 Porsche Cayman S | 18 VW Tiguan
Then: 18 VW GTI Autobahn | 95 BMW M3 | 15 VW GTI SE | 12 Kia Optima SX | 2009 VW GTI | 00 BMW 540i Sport | 90 Mazda Miata | 94 Yamaha FZR600R | 1993 Suzuki GS500E | 2003 BMW 325i | 95 Saab 900S
07-07-2015, 02:24 PM
rherold9 Wrote:Kaan Wrote:that's actually not the goal. go pick up subscription to racecar engineering and read up for the next 5 years. engineer... the base of your bowl is too narrow eat at a great pace!
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07-07-2015, 02:33 PM
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07-07-2015, 02:34 PM
Kaan Wrote:Hey now that was rude. Don't make me pass you on the track even more.rherold9 Wrote:Kaan Wrote:that's actually not the goal. go pick up subscription to racecar engineering and read up for the next 5 years. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
07-07-2015, 02:34 PM
I'm with Channing... put an undertray on it first, and help direct air where it should go! Doing that on my M3 (which came to me sans-undertray) kept temps 10* F cooler on track, just because more air got routed through the radiator (my aftermarket tray has a baffle on it) and otherwise directed through the engine bay.
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07-07-2015, 02:47 PM
even the ebay doesn't have an old under tray for my turd.
it would be easier to buy a flat lip and build an under tray off that
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07-07-2015, 02:54 PM
"seems" hot? what's your basis? yeah, that is pretty hot if you were trying to sleep in there. i recall plenty of integras running much wilder motors not having rice-assed hood vents installed. why is your car any different with far fewer hp?
do less.
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07-07-2015, 02:59 PM
Mike Wrote:"seems" hot? what's your basis? yeah, that is pretty hot if you were trying to sleep in there.Don't know why but this made me :lol:
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07-07-2015, 03:01 PM
Mike Wrote:"seems" hot? what's your basis? yeah, that is pretty hot if you were trying to sleep in there. i recall plenty of integras running much wilder motors not having rice-assed hood vents installed. why is your car any different with far fewer hp? that's the phrase... the current group all vent, the old schoolers didn't I've read every single build thread and turds, every single article I can get my hands on... lower engine bay temps are better.
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07-07-2015, 03:02 PM
Mike Wrote:yeah, that is pretty hot if you were trying to sleep in there. DANGER 危険 DO NOT SLEEP IN ENGINE BAY エンジンベイに寝ていません
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07-07-2015, 03:07 PM
JPolen01 Wrote:Mike Wrote:"seems" hot? what's your basis? yeah, that is pretty hot if you were trying to sleep in there.Don't know why but this made me :lol: you should go stand by someone else car :twisted:
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07-07-2015, 03:07 PM
BLINGMW Wrote:Mike Wrote:yeah, that is pretty hot if you were trying to sleep in there. I would add that sticker :thumbup:
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07-07-2015, 03:23 PM
Jesus tapdancing christ.
NONE of you are engineers, not even racers, not even first-hand experience with this shit and all proclaiming all the knowledge. Stop overthinking and remember the 80/20 rule. Only way to know for sure is to test it yourself (and proven several "common" aero modifications to be complete bupkis while other "useless ones" to have actually helped). Oh yeah, I have actual data to prove it instead of "my buttdyno helped".
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07-07-2015, 03:26 PM
:lol: :lol: I wondered how long it'd take DJ to sense a disturbance in the force.
Now: 07 Porsche Cayman S | 18 VW Tiguan
Then: 18 VW GTI Autobahn | 95 BMW M3 | 15 VW GTI SE | 12 Kia Optima SX | 2009 VW GTI | 00 BMW 540i Sport | 90 Mazda Miata | 94 Yamaha FZR600R | 1993 Suzuki GS500E | 2003 BMW 325i | 95 Saab 900S
07-07-2015, 03:30 PM
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Jesus tapdancing christ. so you said some stuff, but i'm not sure it made much sense. are you for or against kaan pepboying his car?
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4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant) 2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red) No longer onyachin.
07-07-2015, 03:33 PM
Holy shit people taking my trolling serious? Who cares what he does. Does it need to be scientifically proven? It's two small damn vents that gives him the peace of mind and if he wants to do it go ahead. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
07-07-2015, 03:46 PM
Mike Wrote:D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Jesus tapdancing christ. I am not an engineer. Try it...why not :dunno: That he bought vents before properly undertraying or ducting does confuse me. My uneducated guess is that without ducting and without any undertray, he is more likely to just cause turbulence. Ducting and those undertrays actually increase pressure in the engine bay as it increases pressure on the front of the radiator. The vent is mostly to reduce underhood pressures by providing a low-pressure zone relief behind the front leading edge of the hood. If there isnt much pressure there anyway since everything is flowing around the radiator/underneath the car/everywhere, the vent won't nearly be as effective, or will be completely useless and add drag.
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