Official MM Firearms Thread

[CaptainHenreh]

Good price!

[HAULN-SS]

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604...1+mbr+H317

Ah yes..gotta get them where they train!

It's hard to tell if I'm in a bubble or not, but the lunacy of some of this shit making the rounds makes me think the rebound is going to be worse for the leftists pushing this bullshit than the status quo. There are a lot of people fired up. A female teacher I know from Fairfax, who I never knew had any intention of shooting any guns in her life, just bought a S&W AR15 out of nowhere. It's like the reverse of RJ's theory about not giving up an inch and having a mile taken. Interesting times for sure.

[Apoc]

Might be some confirmation bias at play. A lot of people get fired up every time gun control becomes a real conversation. People here freaked when they passed some significant state laws last year. There has been no revolution despite much of the state being red. 

[CaptainHenreh]

Might be some confirmation bias at play. A lot of people get fired up every time gun control becomes a real conversation. People here freaked when they passed some significant state laws last year. There has been no revolution despite much of the state being red. 

I am frequently reminded: Land doesn't vote

That said, the laws passed in WA are tame compared to what is being proposed in VA, and you're still seeing massive non-compliance.


Re: the gun range bill...the NRA range is the only range in Virginia that appears to meet that standard. There's no way that law gets passed, and even if it does, it gets struck down so fast it will make your head spin. All these "modest proposals" are doing is dumping donations into the NRA and VCDL. Gonna be an interesting legislative session that's for sure.

[Apoc]

Fair points. The question I ask is whether you believe the population centers of Virginia are really any different than the populations centers of Washington. If people keep piling into blue counties, will there really be a big swing back?

[CaptainHenreh]

Fair points. The question I ask is whether you believe the population centers of Virginia are really any different than the populations centers of Washington. If people keep piling into blue counties, will there really be a big swing back?

I don't, but I also think that more rural areas of VA are more densely populated than the equivalent rural area of WA. Does that make sense? The red areas of the WA map might be 15% of WA total pop...while the equivalent map of VA might be closer to 40%...



And again, this is assuming the most extreme proposals being put forth. I am almost certain we will be back to one handgun a month, and probably get some shitty erpo law. Same as WA, maybe minus the "universal" background check...

[Apoc]

Fair points. The question I ask is whether you believe the population centers of Virginia are really any different than the populations centers of Washington. If people keep piling into blue counties, will there really be a big swing back?

I don't, but I also think that more rural areas of VA are more densely populated than the equivalent rural area of WA. Does that make sense? The red areas of the WA map might be 15% of WA total pop...while the equivalent map of VA might be closer to 40%...

The data supports your point. VA was 44% Trump and WA was 38% Trump, with 5% going to Johnson.

King County, where Seattle is, and surrounding counties are hammering the conservative counties on population.

[Sully]

Looking for recommendations for a decent range ammo (or does it matter) and then I guess also are there go to brands for carrying too. (40)
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[Ryan T]

Any brass ammo your gun cycles reliably is fine for range use, but the cheaper you go, the more you should be prepared to clean it afterward.

As for carry ammo, the govt issues us Winchester Ranger 180gr Bonded Jacketed Hollow Points. I’m sure there are other views on different JHP (hydra-shok, Hornady XTP, etc) but I figure if it’s good enough for the govt it’s good enough for me. Reasonably priced too.

[Sully]

Anybody know a place that actually has .40 range ammo in stock?

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[Deceus]

Considering hitting a gun shop in Harrisonburg sometime next week for some kinda home defense weapon. It's long overdue but the main thing holding me back is I have no idea what to get. Definitely want to stay away from handguns for now. My aim is garbage with them and I won't be carrying anything anytime soon.

Been shooting clay with the neighbor using a Remington 870 my dad gave me a while. That had me considering some kinda shotgun configuration that would work a little better but nothing really beats having a magazine imo.

AR-15 is an obvious choice having as much time with an M4 as I do but pricey. Was leaning towards getting some kind of pistol carbine. Saw the TNW Survival Rifle and really thought that was cool as shit. Being able to swap to 9mm rounds for the range and store it as a .45 is real appealing. It's about the size I'm looking for as I want to hide it in some kinda concealment shelf for sure. So I'm sure this has been discussed to death but I can't really sift through 125 pages. So what else is out there worth considering?

[Deceus]

I think on the high end I was looking towards a CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Carbine but I can always upgrade later. Was leaning towards the TNW ASR as an entry level deal. I know there are a lot better carbines out there but seemed like a good place to start and really liked the breakdown/multiple caliber deal. Leaves me options for when I do decided to pickup a hang gun and don't want to buy another set of mags.

[CaptainHenreh]

I'm not trying to criticize, but the time to buy was July 2019.

Ammunition is scarce. Firearms are scarce. What is available is often poor quality and overpriced. Shit, a popular online retailer was trying to sell Tula steel case 9mm for 33 cents a round. Preposterous.

So let's chat, then. 

First I want to address the TNW. Humbly, I'd walk away. The ability to swap calibers to 45acp is of no real benefit, as modern handgun ammunition is roughly the same in terminal effect. 45 isn't really better at stopping stuff, and I'd much rather have 33 rounds of 9mm than 21 of 45acp. Also the TNW doesn't seem to have the greatest reputation. Poor ejection, barrel nuts coming loose... Then you have to pay extra for a threaded barrel? Hard pass.


For a pistol caliber carbine, I'd be looking very closely at two in particular:

First, the Ruger PCC, which breaks down very small and seems to be inexpensive and reliable.

Second, the Grand Power Stribog, which is absolutely cheaper than it has any right to be. The worst thing I can say about it is that the sights aren't great, but you should have a reflex sight on a defense carbine anyhow.


The Scorpion is nice, but the Stribog is both cheaper and better if you ask me. All metal, uses an AR fire control group and controls, I approve.

However in spite of all that, I'd still choose an AR15 for self defense. You should still be able to get a serviceable AR for under a grand, and have it shipped to whatever FFL you use. 

It'll take some work to find in this market, but I believe it'll be worth it. 

Meanwhile, your 870 will work just fine, although I think shotguns are a poor choice for home and self defense.

[Deceus]

I'm not trying to criticize, but the time to buy was July 2019.

Ammunition is scarce. Firearms are scarce. What is available is often poor quality and overpriced. Shit, a popular online retailer was trying to sell Tula steel case 9mm for 33 cents a round. Preposterous.

So let's chat, then. 

First I want to address the TNW. Humbly, I'd walk away. The ability to swap calibers to 45acp is of no real benefit, as modern handgun ammunition is roughly the same in terminal effect. 45 isn't really better at stopping stuff, and I'd much rather have 33 rounds of 9mm than 21 of 45acp. Also the TNW doesn't seem to have the greatest reputation. Poor ejection, barrel nuts coming loose... Then you have to pay extra for a threaded barrel? Hard pass.


For a pistol caliber carbine, I'd be looking very closely at two in particular:

First, the Ruger PCC, which breaks down very small and seems to be inexpensive and reliable.

Second, the Grand Power Stribog, which is absolutely cheaper than it has any right to be. The worst thing I can say about it is that the sights aren't great, but you should have a reflex sight on a defense carbine anyhow.


The Scorpion is nice, but the Stribog is both cheaper and better if you ask me. All metal, uses an AR fire control group and controls, I approve.

However in spite of all that, I'd still choose an AR15 for self defense. You should still be able to get a serviceable AR for under a grand, and have it shipped to whatever FFL you use. 

It'll take some work to find in this market, but I believe it'll be worth it. 

Meanwhile, your 870 will work just fine, although I think shotguns are a poor choice for home and self defense.

Yeah I've seen the reviews for the TNW being pretty hit and miss. The gun seems to be picky about ammo and mags. Didn't scare me enough to not consider it though as enough people seem to not have issues with it. Mostly want the .45 option for safety and not stopping power. Not overly worried about dropping someone with a 9mm round but I am worried about murking a neighbor. I get that's more a gun control/discipline issue and not a caliber issue but I still like to minimize risk when I can. Also I have someone ready to sell me one so that's kind of a bonus. Not really expecting to fall in love with it but it could make a decent range toy (if it doesn't act up) for the GF or friends if I eventually decide to buy something better.

I don't mind waiting a bit to stockpile ammo and/or get a forever gun if the time aint right. That seems to be the story every other year. Always appreciate more options to consider, I very much like both of those suggestions. Speaking of sights what's your recommendation there? Didn't expect to see so many dot scopes so cheap but I'm sure most of them are junk. Hadn't really even begun to go down that rabbit hole.

[CaptainHenreh]

Are you suggesting that 45acp is somehow safer? I don't think data really supports your position. Anything with enough energy to sufficiently penetrate a sack of meat is gonna make real short work of drywall that's just physics my guy.


For optics, my "fun guns" have almost exclusively SIG red dots based on a really excellent customer service interaction I had. Anything for social purposes has either Trijicon or Meprolight... Something built to a military standard for durability. (Although FBI HRT uses sig red dots too, soooo)

[Deceus]

CaptainHenrehAre you suggesting that 45acp is somehow safer? I don't think data really supports your position. Anything with enough energy to sufficiently penetrate a sack of meat is gonna make real short work of drywall that's just physics my guy.


For optics, my "fun guns" have almost exclusively SIG red dots based on a really excellent customer service interaction I had. Anything for social purposes has either Trijicon or Meprolight... Something built to a military standard for durability. (Although FBI HRT uses sig red dots too, soooo)

Yeah I know drywall isn't stopping shit, I was thinking more along the lines of a stud/front door/appliance. Been a while since I really dove into the subject but looks like 45ACP penetrates just as well as most 9mm ammo, when it comes to ballistic gel at least. Color me surprised, I might have to reconsider that approach. 5.56 vs any pistol ammo is obviously more cut and dry. That's just a lot of powder for something just across the room. Granted if you're not an idiot (like me), train regularly and really want superior firepower, I certainly agree with you that nothing really beats an AR-15 all around.

[CaptainHenreh]

There is some data to suggest that a high velocity small mass projectile might actually be safer in that regard than a high-mass slow projectile. A 55gr pill cruising at 3000fps is going to fragment and shed energy very quickly compared to a big dumb slug that hits a barrier and just plows on through. 

Not telling you what to do (yes i am!) just giving food for thought...

[Apoc]

Similar principle to a block of ice vs. ice cubes in your Old Fashioned, but reversed. You want the ice block so it stays in one piece. Yay physics!

I'm not an expert, but I subscribe to the idea that they best way to ensure no collateral damage is to hit your target. It has far more influence on result than the difference between caliber. I prioritized mobility, maneuverability, magazine size (e.g. no shotguns), and comfort in my home defense purchase.

[Sully]

What would be a good ready to fire now ar platform that can be upgraded down the road vs building one from ground up. Quick search seems to.point towards the m&p

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[CaptainHenreh]

What would be a good ready to fire now ar platform that can be upgraded down the road vs building one from ground up. Quick search seems to.point towards the m&p

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What's your budget? 


I have addressed this multiple times in this thread and my answers really haven't changed much, but you should spend as much as you can afford on a good foundation.