09-12-2006, 12:13 AM
Evan Wrote:Im not going to play politically correct with the whole terrorism and muslim connections. Time and time again it has been shown that there simply isnt a black and white line between the two. There have been way too many muslim non-profits mosques that have been fronts for terrorist funding, too many millions of dollars donated by muslims, too many governments supporting terrorism, not to mention the masses of poor muslims in the countries who outright praise the terrorism for me to believe that Muslims who want to kill americans is just a tiny perverted sect of the religion. It may not be a 1:1 ratio, but its a lot higher than anyone is willing to admit.
Wow, I'm sorry but this just isn't the case, atleast not how you present it to be. Yes there are extremist mosques that donate funds to terrorist groups, and there are people who willingly donate to them. But I can honestly tell you from experience that this is a definite minority, not the majority. In reality many of them don't know they are donating to terrorism, they donate to various fronts for terrorist funding that represent themselves as legitimite charitable organizations, it happens all the time and several have been busted.
Governments supporting terrorism? Yes, a few....Iran actually fosters it, Syria and Yemen let it happen, Lebanon is forced to by Hezbollah muscling their way into power. The real leaders are too intimidated to do anything about it, while Hezbollah gives homes and land to peasants to come out as the hero. Pretty much all the other nations in the region do their best to crack down on it. They have very specialized groups of people that deal with the threat, and they are very effective (in Jordan atleast, foiled 3 or 4 terrorist attempts that I know of, one involving chemical weapons). Of course things happen like the Amman hotel bombings but they do fight terrorism in their own way.
Masses of poor muslims who praise terrorism? Why is that? Oh yeah its because their governments don't give a SHIT about them, don't give them any funding or support, let them live off the charity that sometimes comes through from other nations/organizations. When I worked for USAID I saw the figures...millions of dollars going into waste water treatment plants, reservoirs, irrigation etc....had we not of been there, nothing would of happened for them. Its REALLY easy to judge them when you're living in your fully furnished home with all the amenities you want. I'm not trying to make them come off as faultless saints but I have been to their "homes" and villages and they have nothing...no prospects in life, nothing to live for. That is why they are drawn to extremism (whether they know it or not...or care to)...it gives them a purpose. Not to sound cheesy but the Pakistani terrorist from the film "Syriana" is a perfect example of this.
Like I said before religion isn't the cause. Don't tie this to religion. If history was any different they'd be doing this in the name of Christianity or Judaism or what have you. You think we don't have some nutcase Christians here in the states? These are simply people being USED under the guise of religious practice. These are desperate people that have gone through extreme social change in the last generation. They are confused, upset with their governments, but most of all angry. Its our "job" as the modern western superpower that we are to help foster modernization and positive change in the region so that they will have an ALTERNATIVE to extremism. Don't forget that it was US who largely helped foster the creation of the Taliban after our stint in Afghanistan to suppress the expansion of the USSR. We used them, the native people for our gain then left them for dead. Oh gee what happened then? People like Bin Laden arise to power. So don't say "they'll hate us no matter what"...thats BS...they hate us for good reason. Its WAAAY more complicated then "they flew planes into us, so i'm gonna hate all muslims", thats just ignorant and frankly the exact attitude that is driving this country into the ground .Just my 200,000 dollars.