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[Evan]

There's at least 20 guys who've left HC and are racing SCCA right now. Some of them were originally NASA guys but either way that's not good.

sure Ill agree with that, but thats not the point. You said the sereies was built on scca crossover and I disagree. HC was built on the enthusasm of a gruop of people and after they left, the series faltered.
Loosing customers to SCCA means h3-h5, and those rules werent dicked with, so I think it has more to do with SCCA than nasa.

I may very well be one of those guys next year if NASA-MA goes to a spec tire. Same with RJ.

You have to actually start racing w/ nasa before you can leave
you still convinced you can win the pool?

Yep. Maybe the money numbers work out better with the spec tire deal so I wouldn't blame in that case. However, what I see is the cold plain fact that it costs a LOT more to get new customers than it does the keep the old ones (some business books say 10x). Maybe the Toyo money is big enough that it makes up for the lost revenue.

but the question here is what defines a roadracing customer? Is a guy who has some leftover tires and wants to run at vir or summit an extra time or two during the year really a customer? that you want to put investment into? An scca racer I wouldnt consider a customer because if the budget runs tight they are going to default to just scca no matter what you do. The cost for new customers may be 10x, but converting customers of competitors may be 50x.

That's because h3-h5 can all go to the SCCA. H1 is the only place for H1 cars to race. Most of the foolishness was in fact H1, but when you have the national director saying stuff like, 'We don't need you', 'Stop whining', and 'We don't need SCCA's table scraps' its going to piss people off. Add nonsense at the track, and SCCA getting its act together and you've given people the motivation to leave and a place for them to go.

I agree with you for the most part, but I just dont think that its in direct response to nasa's actions. The west coast nasa staff are complete assmonkeys, but i dont think most of the hc racers are necessarily paying attention. I think it has more to do with the grass currently being greener on the s club side, kind of like it was the other way around a few years ago.

But the tire issue has definitely gotten more people to jump ship.

has it? other than the people that were asked to never come back? The tire issue isnt really an issue until next year