Political Flame War (Split from Found my Next Truck)

[damnit458]

Unfortunately, again, you can only take that arguement so far. Eventually you get into the idea of objective truths, mainly an objective right and wrong, or perhaps a completely subjective reality, at which point there is nowhere to go.

For example, who can rightly condemn what the Nazi party did during the 1930's and 1940's? They believed that what they were doing was right, so who are we to judge. Even more so, that was a different time. How can this culture try and judge another culture living in a completely different situation?

your philosophy would bring the world to anarchy. Murder is wrong... Rape is wrong... if you want to know why... because the majority says so. the majority will always control the minority until the minority is no longer that... through convincing others and legal protests... through logic... not with your quack ideas of right and wrong.

If the Nazi party had succeeded in their efforts you would be singing a different tune. ItÔÇÖs Darwinistic, the strongest survive, whether dealing with tangible objects or moral ideals. History is written by the victors.

For every horrible act you can think of, no matter how morally wrong, there comes a time when that act is no longer wrong. Look at the rape of a small child - horrible, immoral, and evil. Now what if you were put in the position that you had to rape a kid or a room full of 50 hostages would be shot? Would you do it? Is it still wrong at that point in time? You still have a choice.

I think you both are missing the point. I understand that history is written by the victor; Im not arguing with that. What Im saying is there IS no write or wrong (while im playing devils advocate anyway).

In response to kaan, you're right. If what I said took precedence over all else there would be anarchy. That is why people tend not to live by this principle. However, that does not mean that what I say is necesiarly wrong or right. Just because human beings choose to ignore something doesnt mean that what they ignore is wrong. It just means that acting like there is an objective right and wrong (which as adam points out is outlined by those that are in charge) makes life easier in the long run.

Adam, what you say isnt an arguement about right and wrong, its more an arguement about the lesser evil, or perhaps more commonly, the greater good. Sacrifice one life for 10? 2? 5? We've all seen this arguement in some kind of book or movie (swordfish comes to mind immeidately). That does not mean that raping a little girl to save 50 ppl isnt wrong. In my opinion raping a little girl period is wrong. All it means is your willing to commit that wrong to do a greater good.