I already thought BMW was losing it, now this

[G.Irish]

I think you just repeated the same points as earlier? Ratios don't even matter to me, let alone anyone but about 17 bloggers in the world. If ugly cars turned off buyers, the Pontiac Aztec would have never seen the light of day. Remember when we all hated the new Surpa and then it went on selling? I'm just not seeing people give that much of a shit.

The Aztek is the perfect example actually. It was ugly, didn't sell well, and got canned.

A car being ugly doesn't mean no one will buy it, just that less people will buy it. In some cases that means that they don't sell enough to justify continuing production, on the other end it just means that they don't sell as many units as they otherwise would have. If M3/M4 sales are terribad I have to think BMW will just release an updated front end, rather than drag things out for the full 4 year lifecycle. They could also just stop selling the G80 M3/M4 early.

Care to make a wager on the sales figures or price of the car? It'll make me being wrong interesting, at least.

BMW doesn't publish detailed breakouts of their sales by model or trim so there's no way to know how many units of the M3/M4 got sold.

I don't know if BMW NA will advertise discounts on M3's nationally, but I think in the first few months of the new M3 being on sale there'll be discounts to be had once cars have been sitting for awhile. Then we'll see if BMW tries to prop up sales with lease deals. Typically M car lease deals don't come out until the end of a generation.