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As a fan of liberty, defined by both personal and economic freedom, my default answer is you do what you want and I'll do what I want as long as one doesn't restrict the other. No-one "deserves" anyone else's labor or property.
Obviously as a country we've agreed on a lot of exceptions, we like being protected by a military, we like roads, we like environmental protections, and most of us are somewhat ok with being forced to pay the bill for them. Personally I don't think the federal government needs to run our school systems, nor do I want them running our healthcare. If those must be government run, leave it to the states. But what puts me on red alert is providing services for non-citizens, people who have no way to contribute in the way you and I are forced to. I'd suggest solving it a different way. Background check, here's your SSN, have a nice day.
For what it's worth, you and I might agree that something should be done about corporate greed and wealth inequality. I think reversing the Citizens United ruling and changing the definition of shareholder value for a corporation might be better ways to go about it. Placing limits on pay only makes the rich get creative, or even worse drives more business out of our country, and forcing higher minimum wages just gets people replaced by robots faster.
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(07-18-2019, 04:06 PM)SlimKlim Wrote: I think this is the main difference between our world views. You seem to be primarily concerned with YOUR money being used for the healthcare of people that "don't deserve it."
I am primarily concerned with MY money being used to provide corporate welfare to companies that reward their boards, executives and shareholders with a massive payout every time they take a good shit, and expect their hourly employees to rely on assistance programs to make ends meet. If you can't afford to pay people a living wage, guess what asshole, you can't afford to be in business.
As a fan of liberty, defined by both personal and economic freedom, my default answer is you do what you want and I'll do what I want as long as one doesn't restrict the other. No-one "deserves" anyone else's labor or property.
Obviously as a country we've agreed on a lot of exceptions, we like being protected by a military, we like roads, we like environmental protections, and most of us are somewhat ok with being forced to pay the bill for them. Personally I don't think the federal government needs to run our school systems, nor do I want them running our healthcare. If those must be government run, leave it to the states. But what puts me on red alert is providing services for non-citizens, people who have no way to contribute in the way you and I are forced to. I'd suggest solving it a different way. Background check, here's your SSN, have a nice day.
For what it's worth, you and I might agree that something should be done about corporate greed and wealth inequality. I think reversing the Citizens United ruling and changing the definition of shareholder value for a corporation might be better ways to go about it. Placing limits on pay only makes the rich get creative, or even worse drives more business out of our country, and forcing higher minimum wages just gets people replaced by robots faster.
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