(07-18-2019, 03:37 PM)SlimKlim Wrote:(07-18-2019, 03:35 PM)Kaan Wrote:(07-18-2019, 03:31 PM)SlimKlim Wrote:(07-18-2019, 03:19 PM)Kaan Wrote: Why do we still talk about Bill Clinton?
1. we are only 4.5 terms away from Bill Clinton. that's nothing in the political timeline. Hell Hillary, his "strong independent" wife, was running for president not too long ago right?
2. Proof its nothing in the political timeline, Pelosi is still in the house and has been on both side of the #metoo movement
3. it was all brought up because I hate partisanship... people need to be less partisan and more American. Hold people accountable when they need to be... period.
Definitely with you on #3, and the festering bag of shit without a handle sitting in the white house right now is a really solid place to start.
okay but you better line up senators and congress people next. this shit is everywhere but people keep posting shit with orange colored glasses on.
I'm voting for people I agree with at every opportunity in every level of government from local on up.
good luck with that! "we" tired down here and ended up with 3 at the local level stealing $15mil.
(07-18-2019, 03:37 PM)G.Irish Wrote: Also, you can say that what the president says doesn't matter much, but I can assure you that you are wrong. The rest of the world absolutely looks at what America says and does and it in turn influences their actions. Many other nations trust the United States to do what's right most of the time, which is what holds our military alliances together. It's why other nations share intelligence with us, it's why other nations depend on our economic systems, it's why other nations model their justice systems after ours, it's why other nations cooperate with us in law enforcement, it's why other nations agree to treaties with us.
What Trump is doing is eroding the world's trust in America to be moral and just. People may think that this trust is a worthless thing, but they don't know what a world without trust looks like. The United States is less safe if we know less about our adversaries because we're not trusted with intel. Our economy is weaker if we get cut out of free trade agreements. We are less safe if we can't depend on our law enforcement partners to help us with transnational crime.
And now with this worldwide surge in right-wing nationalism, having the president of the United States openly spouting racist and white nationalist rhetoric absolutely makes the world a worse place.
He is absolutely doing this on a international stage and its causing lots of issues. But this can be related to several international issues that past presidents have gotten involved in too... as I have stated before, we have made the wrong international relations decision since at least WW1... and only our might and winning has helped us have any reputation worth keeping. We have burned bridges all over the world with little to no outrage.... but influenced lots of people and pissed a lot off too
Stay informed, be vigilant, don't pick a side... this stuff has been cascading internationally (and internally really) for decades. Trump is just the bright orange icing on the top (I hope he's it and we turn it around)... with a big microphone and the biggest pulpit in the world.
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