Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!)

[WRXtranceformed]

"Most economists" and "some experts" can both be true.

Thanks for proving my point? It's not exactly the super-clear OMG NYC TOOK A MASSIVE BLOW picture that you both want to paint here. 

The studies done assumed nothing was done with the area... which just wouldn't happen. It also generously assumed that all 40,000 jobs were taken in the next 15 years, which Amazon only promised 25,0000 and stated that potentially another 15,0000. 

This is no different than all the rosy, perfect-case scenario, studies done to justify stadium spending for sports teams. It's not needed, businesses will come either way, this isn't the middle of nowhere. Maybe it won't be as much as Amazon would have brought, but it won't be that far off, worst case.

The other intangible issue though here is that now NYC (and the leadership that the dummies up there elected) have made it really clear that it is willing to effectively reneg on its negotiations with employers.  These negotiations for tax breaks, etc. do indeed happen during nearly every major corporate move, from companies both large and small.  You generally just don't hear about it (Amazon made a mistake IMO and turned it into a big spectacle).  This could be a warning flag to companies considering a move into the city that the new change in leadership is not going to be business friendly or will not be worth the hassle in dealing with state and local representatives.

---

"Most economists" and "some experts" can both be true.

Thanks for proving my point? It's not exactly the super-clear OMG NYC TOOK A MASSIVE BLOW picture that you both want to paint here. 

Please quote me where I said NYC would take a massive blow. 

If you don't want Amazon given the use of public money, I support that. If you don't want it because you don't think there will be benefit, I'm here to tell you that's 100% wrong. I have seen it in the economics of my own city.

Are we arguing that companies shouldn't receive benefits from state and local governments for bringing job opportunities to their regions?  Because you obviously know that happens all the time right?  Every state and nearly every big city has an EDO that negotiates these moves and it is BIG money for the people that do it.