Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!)

[Kaan]

Pure Libertarian government is close to the most unreasonable and unlikely form of government. It all sounds great in theory until no one pays shit "voluntarily". Then everyone gets screwed. What would be better is a mix of taxes + less spending on waste-less poop.

Hey bro, you want those power lines to your house? Hehehe, yeah we'll put them to your house with you fronting the bill. Good luck.

Oh, your house is on fire? Sorry, not enough people volunteered money to put it out. We'll put it out if you pay us directly though.

no one paying voluntarily is a societal problem IMHO. volunteering in general (time) is down across the board. 

lets keep the fire department thing going... we write a check once a year to the local fire department (its volunteer) when they send out their mailer. but they also are VERY good at fund raising... events i voluntarily go to... cash party, bbq, raffles, bowling events (which none of you sons of 'itches come to for the charity i support with time and money), etc. 

last year my little town raised enough funds to pay for their $900k equipment purchase.

Are you under the impression that they don't take anything in taxes? 

Or, apply for stuff like this - Funding and Program Assistance - United States Department of Agriculture ?

are you under the impression that I think their budget is 100% tax free? 

the point is, the important things people will support.... the debate is what is important to each person. 

the long and short is... as a society "some people" are okay with doing nothing (or less) themselves and letting the government take whatever the government deems necessary from their checks... and "some people" are not okay with this at all.

No. The point is, this la la land that you all want where taxes aren't collected isn't a fucking reality and you basically just admitted as much. You and Rex tried to use fire departments as an example of people's good will funding a good cause with no need for government intervention and... that's just not true. 

Sorry man, people suck. Taxes suck. But they are necessary.

you are missing the biggest point.... "they" understand that taxes are necessary, the level of taxation and what that tax is spent on is what burns the britches. 

my example is that with peoples good will, big things can happen. true tax free organizations almost dont exist, because of how complicated the tax situation has become. The ONLY one i know off that is 100% community funded is my local food bank. They accept zero money from local, state, or federal programs. that food bank happens to be the primary charity of all the united methodists womens group in our district.

they are moving 15 tons of food a week (minimum)... in a county of 1 million people. and its all volunteers for accepting, moving, etc all the food.