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To say that Hondas are not at the top of the list in *any* type of performance is just laughable.

Alright, you keep laughing without bringing up anything to prove otherwise. I'll sit here and not laugh? You really shouldn't have even posted on this because you have nothing to say.

Gerald,

I think you are missing what I am saying -> I tried to lay it out easy.

Honda does not currently make a performance car that I would want to buy?

Now why is that?

My entire point, is that from a strictly performance (ANY KIND, drag, autox, rally, road, or ) point of view, any automobile made by Honda is not at the top of the list.

Now I see that I missworded it here..whereas up top I got it right.
I'm talking about CURRENT production models.

If the S2000 can be outperformed by the Evo and the STi in every category (correct?), and they cost the same, then it is not at the top of the list and that is only one reason why I would want an Evolution 8 over it.

If the current NSX (because yes the first several NSX production years kicked complete ass) which costs a fortune, can be outperformed by half a dozen other vehicles, that cost the same or less, it is not at the top of the list. I could buy almost two z06's instead of one NSX.

But saying there is nothing Honda makes that can outperform cars that cost the same or less is out and out false

You'll have to point out to me where I said they couldn't outperform cars.
I simply stated they couldn't outperform ALL cars, and therefore are not the elite some people try to make them out to be.

If you're talking about autocrossing again, Honda has wins there too. Look at the results for the last few years and the Type-R has dominated G-Stock/B-Stock and the S2000 has taken over B-Stock. In STS the lowly 88-91 Si has taken the crown from the Subaru 2.5RS.

You are talking about older production years. I'm sure there isn't a whole lot that can touch the ITR on a road course, for the price you can pick one up for. The S2000 is lucky it doesn't compete against any a couple AWD turbo cars I'm thinking of. I'm sure you can guess which.

But I'm not concerning myself with anything but the here and now.
What is Honda making now? Nothing to compete with the Evo and STi.
I'm sorry, but the k20a is not going to cut it.

You guys need to understand, I'm not saying Honda doesn't win. I'm not saying they make bad cars, or made them, or will make them.
I'm not saying I wouldn't roll in a few of them.
When it comes to performance, there are better alternatives from other manufacturers. That is what I'm saying.

-T