03-02-2004, 08:52 PM
Alright. We'll do this in reverse.
Yes our preferences are different. But, at no point did I bash Honda, or say it was a bad company making a poor product. On the contrary, they put out a wide range of good cars that many people choose to own. But not for performance reasons!
My entire point, is that from a strictly performance (ANY KIND, drag, autox, rally, road, or ) point of view, any automobile made by Honda is not at the top of the list.
I'm glad we all agree the S2000 is a nice car. Looks good, rides well, and makes good power for such a small engine. But it does this by revving high and is therefore difficult to make more powerful without tearing apart the engine. When they said Johny Tran had 100 grand under the hood of his Fast and Furious S2000.....I believed them!
So we won't drag race it. So how about Rallying, autoxing, or roadracing?
For the price, and you already mentioned this, you can own an Evo8 or STi. These cars will out accelerate, out brake, out skidpad, out everything the S2000 for the reasons you already mentioned. They'll also carry more people...so we won't put the S2000 at the top of our list for any kind of these kinds of racing.
Ahh, the NSX. Yes it is time for Honda to step it up in that department. We won't even pretend it is a drag racing car.
So what about the rest? Like I brought up, for the money you could own a Viper. But you have problems with power and think comfort is more important than performance, so we'll forget about it. I'm gald you mentioned the Z06. Way less cost than an NSX, way more performance. We both agree the NSX needs to be replaced or revamped, and until then it won't be a first choice.
Hopefully you've stuck with me. These two top of the line street cars built by Honda are outperformed by cars from other makes that cost the same, or much less.
So what do we talk about now? Honda's wins in the world of motorsports? Impressive yes. Relevent to my point that Honda does not currently make a performance car that I would want to buy? NO!
List all of the trophies you want. It does not change the fact that they don't make a performance car you can buy, and then take to the track (or off road) and outperform cars that cost the same or less.
Keep this going, someone prove me wrong.
-T
Quote:Its totally fine if your performance car preferences are different than mine, great! Diversity is a cool thing. But don't be another Honda basher just because some people like Hondas and you do not. Just because you have a relatively narrow view of what a performance is doesn't mean you must disparage what is outside of that view
Yes our preferences are different. But, at no point did I bash Honda, or say it was a bad company making a poor product. On the contrary, they put out a wide range of good cars that many people choose to own. But not for performance reasons!
My entire point, is that from a strictly performance (ANY KIND, drag, autox, rally, road, or ) point of view, any automobile made by Honda is not at the top of the list.
I'm glad we all agree the S2000 is a nice car. Looks good, rides well, and makes good power for such a small engine. But it does this by revving high and is therefore difficult to make more powerful without tearing apart the engine. When they said Johny Tran had 100 grand under the hood of his Fast and Furious S2000.....I believed them!
So we won't drag race it. So how about Rallying, autoxing, or roadracing?
For the price, and you already mentioned this, you can own an Evo8 or STi. These cars will out accelerate, out brake, out skidpad, out everything the S2000 for the reasons you already mentioned. They'll also carry more people...so we won't put the S2000 at the top of our list for any kind of these kinds of racing.
Ahh, the NSX. Yes it is time for Honda to step it up in that department. We won't even pretend it is a drag racing car.
So what about the rest? Like I brought up, for the money you could own a Viper. But you have problems with power and think comfort is more important than performance, so we'll forget about it. I'm gald you mentioned the Z06. Way less cost than an NSX, way more performance. We both agree the NSX needs to be replaced or revamped, and until then it won't be a first choice.
Hopefully you've stuck with me. These two top of the line street cars built by Honda are outperformed by cars from other makes that cost the same, or much less.
So what do we talk about now? Honda's wins in the world of motorsports? Impressive yes. Relevent to my point that Honda does not currently make a performance car that I would want to buy? NO!
List all of the trophies you want. It does not change the fact that they don't make a performance car you can buy, and then take to the track (or off road) and outperform cars that cost the same or less.
Keep this going, someone prove me wrong.
-T
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1998 Oldsmobile Cutlass
2004 Subaru WRX STi
1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1998 Oldsmobile Cutlass