03-01-2004, 07:27 PM
DierwulfBL Wrote:i guess when honda makes a I4, 20 valve, 4 individual throttle body engine coming from the factory then i will bow down and say they have engineering supremacy, but im just not seein it. Soon maybe? time will tell i suppose.
ITB'S = engineering supremacy? All while making 165 horsepower out of 1.6L? Um, no.
Don't get me wrong, the 3S-GTE, 4A-GE, and 2JZ-GTE are all fabolous engines that can produce a lot of power. But to suggest that Toyota engineering is superior is a fallacy. Equal? Maybe.
In motorsports Toyota loses big on the grand total vis a vis with Honda. 6 F1 championships to zero. 7 CART championships for Honda to 1 for Toyota. Toyota doesn't race bikes so that doesn't count but even then Honda dominates that too. Toyota did win some WRC championships before being banned for cheating *cough* and they lead Honda in JGTC 3-2. Honda had a class win at Le Mans with a twin-turbo NSX but Toyota failed both times with its Eagle-One effort in 98 and 99. To their credit it was a very fast (albeit ugly) car but bad luck got in their way.
Ok, so let's talk about currently produced engines. Hmm, 2ZZ-GE vs K20A2 or F20C? That's a blowout. Thanks for playing folks.
On hybrid technology I'd say Honda and Toyota are neck and neck but I'd have to give the nod to Toyota for their forward thinking with the Prius. On other technologies Honda is way ahead with ASIMO (their walking robot), the Hondajet (their foray into manufacturing jet engines and even a custom airframe), and of course the generators, lawnmowers, and jet skis that they make as well.
Not to take anything away from Toyota, it is an excellent company, worthy of the prestige and accolades they receive. But don't make the mistake of saying it is a superior engineering company to Honda because it is not. You'll never hear me taking random pot shots at Toyota (unless it involves cheating and motorsport) so don't take cheap shots at Honda. Especially on something you can't back up.
-G