Will it fly?

[Ginger]

planes need a take off speed... the speed doesnt make the plane take off... it causes the lift (due to wing shape and size)... Xmph moves X amount of air to move across X wing... if the ground moves in an equal and oposite direction of the plane, you never get air under the wing to produce lift.

Actually, planes need a specific air velocity moving under the wing to generate enough lift to take off. The fuselage of the plane doesn't actually have to moving across the gound. Take off can be achieved in this fashion.. I've actually seen it modeled in win tunnels. However, in the example, the fuselage will still move along the ground at whatever speed the engines propel it at. The treadmill does not effect this travel at all because the wheels are not driven.

Now, what would be really cool, is if it were a VTOL. ;