04-17-2007, 10:13 PM
Well, I think social reform and a government overhaul is much more important than gun control, because "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is unfortunately true.
I think those in society that desire to own a firearm should be able to, after much more extensive background checks and exams. But more importantly, the half-trillion dollars we have spent on Iraq could've gone to strengthening our borders, improving our police forces and providing education and after school activities to minorities and areas-in-need to both reduce the flow of illegal firearms and to effectively change our society to rid of gang culture.
Take a look at this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/stor...48,00.html
In it, Tony Blair blames a recent rash of crime on black culture and not poverty in general. This is one way to look at things. Screw being PC and go after the source of the problem.
But why is the problem there? The answer (and yes, its this easy): Government oppression mixed with misleading media. A government that victimizes a minority mixed with a media that makes poverty stricken kids think they can be basketball stars and rich rappers is a bad mix; when those same kids realize that they don't have a chance in life of becoming rich, or in many cases respectable, they turn to crime. (and guns).
Take a look at Europe. Drug laws are lax, prison sentences are even laxer, and they don't have guns. But they do oppress minorities, such as north Africans in France. If those guys had access to guns, things would have been much worse.
The answer is to strengthen gun laws, vastly reduce the size of as well as reform government, and reform the media to be more realistic.
REALITY CHECK: The government will never be drastically reformed. Tradition and stubborness will disallow any major gun reform. And hell will freeze before our media will ever change. So you might as well go out and buy a lot of guns before that immigrant kills you!
Narcissistic, but The Truth:
As for the specifics of school shootings, kids these days are so messed up (media again). No, GTA doesn't make kids kill people. Parents need to take a freaking interest in their kids and stop pumping them full of anti-depressants while leaving it to the teachers and schools to parent their children. If, by your kids senior year, he wants to shoot people in the face with a sawed off shotgun a la Doom while throwing pipe bombs filled with broken glass and nails at their high school, then you've failed as a parent.
And as for the seperation of church and state, well, nobody gives a damn about that anymore it seems. That 1st amendment (or the way Tommy Jefferson interpreted it) can be ignored, but dammit you bastards on the hill better abide by that 2nd one!!
Good, very good. But wouldn't social reform + tighter laws (just for shits) = Win?
The Columbine guns were obtained illegally through some guy at a local Pizza Hut that just so happened to have a fatal shooting in after the Columbine killings.
I'm sure if John Adams and friends were alive today, they'd be all like "What the fuck is wrong with you people! You don't have any more redcoats trying to take away your freedoms! Bush, you bastard, stop reading your citizen's mail!". The Constitution, though nice and probably of a musky, old papery scent, is a little out of touch with modern society (at least parts of it).
I think those in society that desire to own a firearm should be able to, after much more extensive background checks and exams. But more importantly, the half-trillion dollars we have spent on Iraq could've gone to strengthening our borders, improving our police forces and providing education and after school activities to minorities and areas-in-need to both reduce the flow of illegal firearms and to effectively change our society to rid of gang culture.
Take a look at this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/stor...48,00.html
In it, Tony Blair blames a recent rash of crime on black culture and not poverty in general. This is one way to look at things. Screw being PC and go after the source of the problem.
But why is the problem there? The answer (and yes, its this easy): Government oppression mixed with misleading media. A government that victimizes a minority mixed with a media that makes poverty stricken kids think they can be basketball stars and rich rappers is a bad mix; when those same kids realize that they don't have a chance in life of becoming rich, or in many cases respectable, they turn to crime. (and guns).
Take a look at Europe. Drug laws are lax, prison sentences are even laxer, and they don't have guns. But they do oppress minorities, such as north Africans in France. If those guys had access to guns, things would have been much worse.
The answer is to strengthen gun laws, vastly reduce the size of as well as reform government, and reform the media to be more realistic.
REALITY CHECK: The government will never be drastically reformed. Tradition and stubborness will disallow any major gun reform. And hell will freeze before our media will ever change. So you might as well go out and buy a lot of guns before that immigrant kills you!
Narcissistic, but The Truth:
NTIman Wrote:You're screwed if you do, screwed if you don't.
Its just like every other political issue, theres no solution to any problem, no matter how you address it.
As for the specifics of school shootings, kids these days are so messed up (media again). No, GTA doesn't make kids kill people. Parents need to take a freaking interest in their kids and stop pumping them full of anti-depressants while leaving it to the teachers and schools to parent their children. If, by your kids senior year, he wants to shoot people in the face with a sawed off shotgun a la Doom while throwing pipe bombs filled with broken glass and nails at their high school, then you've failed as a parent.
And as for the seperation of church and state, well, nobody gives a damn about that anymore it seems. That 1st amendment (or the way Tommy Jefferson interpreted it) can be ignored, but dammit you bastards on the hill better abide by that 2nd one!!
Apoc Wrote:G.Irish Wrote:Rather than trying to outlaw guns maybe we should spend more time on the cultural factors that lead to violence in this country.
I had a long post halfway typed out but that pretty much sums up my thoughts. Gun control is treating the symptoms, not the disease.
I do not own a gun and have never owned one but I'm of the belief that it's not my right, or my government's, to retrict that right of others. Tighter laws do not prevent determined individuals from success, they only serve to restrict the rights of those who actually choose to follow the rules.
Weren't most, if not all, if the Columbine guns obtained illegally?
Good, very good. But wouldn't social reform + tighter laws (just for shits) = Win?
The Columbine guns were obtained illegally through some guy at a local Pizza Hut that just so happened to have a fatal shooting in after the Columbine killings.
I'm sure if John Adams and friends were alive today, they'd be all like "What the fuck is wrong with you people! You don't have any more redcoats trying to take away your freedoms! Bush, you bastard, stop reading your citizen's mail!". The Constitution, though nice and probably of a musky, old papery scent, is a little out of touch with modern society (at least parts of it).
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