One of harrisonburgs GT3's wrecked

[Evan]

I have no "hate" towards you, and I had already complimented you several times in this thread, as I mentioned we talked briefly at the event. Unfortunately, it appears as though my compliments have proven false. You see, when someone here demonstrates a very detrimental attitude such as blaming equipment for mistakes, and since I have seen the horrible effects of an infectious attitude as such, Im going to correct it and make sure the people in my club know thats only paving the way to make more costly mistakes. You see thats what sets us apart from other car clubs that sit around and jerk off over car magazines. Experience and knowledge.

You had the chance to come in here, say the original poster had misunderstood the situation, set the record straight, and we all have a good laugh. I kept everything I said diplomatic and you could have done the same. But no, you had to come in and make a cock of yourself.

The wreck in turn 4 in the fall was about tire/brake malfunction.

Of course it was. The malfunction was that you put michelin slicks on a car in cold and damp conditions. Let me introduce you to slicks, they dont work well when cold. Then when you hit the brakes, you dont have any grip (damn those brakes!), overcook the corner (those damn tires again!) and slide into a wall.
But hey, Im only in my 3rd year of instructing. You tell me how you went out on a cold day on slicks and it was the tire's fault (and a well engineered race tire, at that). Im skeptical but hey, Ive been wrong before.

My mistake in turn 10 is apparent to me, and I learned from it. I know what I did wrong, and I hope not to do it again.

Im very happy to hear that. Judging from the pics looks like a lift in southbend. Nasty place to mess up. I hope that your attitude to learn from your 2nd accident will help you prevent the 3rd. I know I learned a lot from my brush with a tirewall.

I don't claim to be pro, but lets get in any car and see who can drive.
... People that obviuosly are in touch with driving at the limit - unlike you!

you see, just as you start to sound like you have somewhat of a good attitude in there somewhere, you pull some shit like this. I guess I was wrong about you bucking the "arrogant-cock" stereotype after all.
Its very clear that you know a lot about driving over the limit, but if you want to talk shit, then how about putting your money where your mouth is. For less than 1/3 of the price its going to cost you to fix your latest fuckup, go pickup a miata, a rollbar, a hardtop and throw some decent street tires on it. Then we can see who can drive a car that requires more skill than a retarded monkey to go fast. Since we HPDE instructors just go out on track to drive parade laps, I dont know anything about driving at the limit, and you can back up your trash talk as you are surely faster than me. Of course I dont actually expect you to take me up on this, because Im sure a measly miata doesnt have nearly the ego inflating qualities you require of a vehicle.

[GT3 Nut]

Having re-read this thread, I have found myself laughing at most of the posts. It is quite humurous. Evan has made a few good points. Mike is still an idiot in my opinion, but I'm sure he thinks the same of me and I'm okay with that.
Evan, your right I shouldn't come in and blast anyone I don't know.
But for your info, I have driven Miata's in 2 SCCA schools and had a blast. My lap times were half decent as well. I can drive a slow car that requires some skill as well. But hey, I understand your recent post was in response to my response to you and Mike. I'm sure you could teach me some things, and I would be glad to learn.
But, lets face it this is all trash talk. Let's all just get along. We all obviously love cars and that's whats important.
I know I have stuff to learn, and I will continue to do so.
As far as the tire/brake malfunction - you got it all wrong. Here is what happened:
The new Michelins that I put on the car were mismatched in height front to rear. This works fine on the Cup cars, but not on my car as I found out the hard way. It caused a "Brake proportioning failure" and "ABS Failure" according to the trouble lights in the car. My right front locked up with very little brake pressure applied, dropped onto the frosty grass and thats when I ended up in T4 tire wall. I recognize now that I should not have put the slicks on when it was 26 degrees and damp, but I just had gotten the tires and was very excited to try them out. They were highly recommended by other GT3 Cup car owners. So your conclusions normally would be right on, but in this case, there were other factors involved. I appreciate the compliments you did post. If you want to think I'm arrogant, that's fine. I know I'm not a bad driver and I know I'm not anything great either. I don't need a GT3 to inflate my ego - I just truly love Porsches, especcially GT3's. But I have fun no matter what I'm driving. As a matter of fact, I had an absolute blast in the spec miata's!!!!
(PS: The damage isn't all that bad - compared to the look of it anyway. A spec miata would be more than double the cost to fix this.)

[GT3 Nut]

EVAN said "Then we can see who can drive a car that requires more skill than a retarded monkey to go fast."
I can't stop laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[G.Irish]

Sooo, Matt. Did you mean to say GT3 Nut but got overzealous with the caps key? :lol:

I still wanna hear about turn 10. I had a big moment there in RJ's car once (with Thayer riding shotgun).

[GT3 Nut]

Sooo, Matt. Did you mean to say GT3 Nut but got overzealous with the caps key? :lol:

I still wanna hear about turn 10. I had a big moment there in RJ's car once (with Thayer riding shotgun).

You nailed it!! :lol:

I was off line through the esses, went wide on turn 9 hock: , didn't get over far enough for the entry into 10 and turned in too early, pinched it on the exit and spun. I had more room to track out, but I screwed up . I ended up sliding backwards along the tire wall, and I'm not quite sure how the suspension took such a hit without doing much damage to the body.

[ScottyB]

Matt...glad that you are ok, that is the most important thing. its also nice to hear that you'll be going back out and taking this as a learning experience.

i think its easy to misunderstand people over internet talk. i don't think anyone meant anything in terms of saying you're an incompetent driver. more than anything i think everyone was just trying to assess the situation. we don't know you so its easy for us to speculate. also, its very easy to get people in this club riled up by inciting they aren't super-skilled drivers :lol: all of us act like we're like most guys but secretly most of us think we are very highly skilled. what can i say, i'm the same way.

all in all we're car guys, and i definitely would like to meet you and hopefully we'll chill at a motorsports event.

[Dave]

at least one thing is good about this group. While we still do benchrace a lot, there is a whole lot of real experience in this club, and almost every member here aspires to get out on track or hit up the autoX course. Most people that join either get converted to this mindset or quickly bail after they realize what they have gotten into.
Matt, before getting to offended, stick around for a bit, give us some input, and learn some of the personalities here. Mike is an ass; he knows it and everybody else does. However, those of us that do road race all realize that in a long enough timeline there will be a wreck. Several have already done this, all learn from each others' mistakes, and we all smile at the end of every weekend because we know shit happens, we're still walking away, and that there's a big support group (MM) at home. We're all here for each other and welcome anybody that is knowledgeable or has the enthusiasm for the sport.

[Mike]

Mike is still an idiot in my opinion

Mature points for you!

but I'm sure he thinks the same of me and I'm okay with that.

Bzzzt, wrong. The only people I judge over the internet can be found on Honda-Tech. You track your car, enjoy it, everyone says you're a nice guy, you seem fairly intelligent...

But, lets face it this is all trash talk.

And wrong again. You obviously came in here with the wrong attitude about what we said and blew it out of proportion. Neither Evan or myself made any attempt to talk trash, we were merely posting up the obvious and our suggestions/thoughts; mind you, nothing attacking you as a person. Had you read our original posts this way nobody would have to defend us for being assholes, you wouldn't have gotten off to a sour start, and we would all be fine and dandy.

Regardless, I look forward to meeting you and hope you get the car back together swiftly.

PS You never did answer my question about you "207.7" though. Is that 2:07:7 or 2:47:7? Which course?

[Evan]

:thumbup:

Matt Im glad we got this sorted out, and I apologize for my abrasiveness earlier. (you will learn to never take anthing I say online seriously :lol: )

So since you have done the SCCA comp schools, do you have any plans on going wheel 2 wheel racing?

[GT3 Nut]

Mike,
Look forward to meeting you too.
It was 2:07.7 (2 min. 7.7 sec.) on the full course at VIR 3.27mile config.
Evan,
It's all good.
Although I thoroughly enjoyed running the Miata and did pretty well in the school, I'm not sure that I can approach wheel 2 wheel with a cool head right now. I have a tendency to be aggressive and competetive and I think I need to get more seat time to improve my attitude and ability.

[Chris]

Matt,

I'm glad you found our site, even though it was for the previously stated reasons. Anways, glad things cleared up. Aaron G. said you originally simply wanted the pictures removed for insurance reasons, and if so, all you need to do is ask.

I met you at that Jiffy lube place a while back (I've got the del sol). I really enjoyed our talk, and frequently see your cars passing your business and at Mid Atlantic Motor Werkes.

Hope we can all make a trip to the next track event, and we can catch up some there! Again, just let me know if you need those pictures removed.

[.RJ]

I still wanna hear about turn 10. I had a big moment there in RJ's car once (with Thayer riding shotgun).

I didnt hear about this one! :lol:

I've had more than one "moment" there, one of which had me sliding from the entry of south bend, across the grass, to the back straight.

RJ is one my close friends and I thought he was headed for a crash in his R the way he was driving. Doesn't mean I'm dissing RJ or anything. Even RJ admits he was pushing it too hard for a car he didn't really want to wreck.

Yep. By the end of the year I had picked up a lot of speed and I was starting to probe the limits in some interesting places. I had quite a few offs, but it didnt bite me too hard. One thing that did work in my favor is that I was not biting off huge chunks of speed - just small increments, and I think it helps that my car is quite a bit more forgiving of operator error than a GT3 (electronic gizmos not withstanding).

That said, I did sell the car (Integra Type-R). I owed the bank $$ on it, and even if I didnt I still didnt want to crash it. I just picked up the new track car (95 Integra RS), its paid for, and i'm going to have a race shop build a cage for it - I am going fast enough now where I think I need to have better safety gear than the bolted in rollbar I had in my ITR and I can race it next year if I can get my shit together and get a race license.

Thats another thing that maybe you should look into Matt - if you have the coin to do DE's in a GT3, then why not build/buy a racecar and race? Its relatively affordable and its a lot of fun. One of the guys racing Honda Challenge used to race in Ferrari Challenge and is having a lot more fun with the hondas.

Even though I'm a little late to this party, I'll go back to what was said in page 1 about crashing due to inadequate equipment. I completely disagree with that, and you make your own choices and you must drive accordingly. I've certainly done some less than ideal prep/setup choices with my cars over the years and you just have to drive around them. You equipment is hardly ever at fault when you crash unless you have some sort of component failure (tire puncture, brake line failure, suspension part falling off). Its way too easy to blame the tires, blame the track, blame the brake pads - but ultimately, when the dust settles, you were behind the wheel providing the inputs to the vehicle and there's no way to get away from that. Instead of blaming your equipment, take a hard look in the mirror, look at the video and evaluate the situation to determine what happened and why. I had a crash 2 or 3 years ago on track and while there were a lot of contributing factors, it was ultimately 100% driver error - I fucked up.

[BLAIR]

Matt,

I'm glad you found our site, even though it was for the previously stated reasons. Anways, glad things cleared up. Aaron G. said you originally simply wanted the pictures removed for insurance reasons, and if so, all you need to do is ask. .

these pics were found by a freind on a subaru forum.. unfortunatly the pics are on alot of enthusiate web sites. id be happy to delete them from here no prob. wasnt posted to cause you any trouble at all

[Dave]

(tire puncture, brake line failure, suspension part falling off).

lol, Hooray for hyperdrives!
Just pokin fun, but man did that car look bad when the dropped it at our paddock space [/b]

[CaptainHenreh]

I had a reverse flux capacitor failure one time. It was on the street not the track. It's a good thing I paid attention in my temporal mechanics class, though, because I isolated the output before the electromagnetic interference could cause a dramatic disturbance in the quantii stream, which I don't need to tell you would have caused alot of problems for some friend from out of town.

[Dave]

you're worthless Rex

[JackoliciousLegs]

GT# Nut -> GT3 Nut...
welcome to the forums

[Mike]

maybe he wanted GT# nut... maybe he has a gt1 and gt2 also?

[Chris]

maybe he wanted GT# nut... maybe he has a gt1 and gt2 also?

pretty sure its supposed to be GT3, thats what Aaron said.

[white_2kgt]

pictures removed for insurance reasons, and if so, all you need to do is ask.

He's going to be sending out a LOT of emails...

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--chad