Mike "what I have is better than everything" Collins 
5 lug is by definition superior to 4 lug
Pat Griffith lost a wheel on his 4 lug SE-R at an autoX a couple years ago due to stud failure.
If you loose a stud or lug on a 5 lug car, you still have 4 lugs, and a larger portion of the wheel clamped by lugs. 4 lugs you have much less clamp
i understand this, but it is such a rare occurence i wouldn't drive a decision by it.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
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All good thoughts. Everything on this car is being overbuilt, so why stop at hubs.
5 lugs it is.
Thanks guys,
Peter
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1985 Merkur XR4Ti Track Car
2013 Ford F-150 FX4 Ecoboost
E46 BMW 330Ci Sport 5spd
1973 Honda CL125S
1985 Honda CX500
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MichaelJComputer Wrote:i understand this, but it is such a rare occurence i wouldn't drive a decision by it. except its not that rare....
at least as high on the list as any suspension component failure, and made worse by the fact that human error can make it a much higher probability
i don't know about pete, but i am perfect. human error is a non-issue.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
MichaelJComputer Wrote:i am perfect. human error is a non-issue.
hehe, at least he's honest!
Yeah, it's not my human error that I'm worried about, it's the Jackass in the white hatchback that thinks he's perfect that's all over the track playing pinball off the corner stations.... ;-)
I nevre meak errirs!
http://www.85xr.com
1985 Merkur XR4Ti Track Car
2013 Ford F-150 FX4 Ecoboost
E46 BMW 330Ci Sport 5spd
1973 Honda CL125S
1985 Honda CX500
2013 Arctic Cat 700 ATV
2017 Onewheel +
Hey Pete, are you gonna fix up the front end of the Merkur? Get black rims with a polished lip, they will look soooo tight.
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:?: are you drunk? high?
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
nope and nope.
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2014 White Platinum Pearl Explorer Sport
Living in the Alamo City.
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MichaelJComputer Wrote::?: are you drunk? high? hey, you're the one saying 4 lug is as good as 5 lug.
are you drunk? high?
Evan Wrote:MichaelJComputer Wrote::?: are you drunk? high? hey, you're the one saying 4 lug is as good as 5 lug.
are you drunk? high?
i'm a genius. seriously, i wouldn't want 5-lug on my car. the entire setup adds about 40-50lbs unsprung weight. on a car with power that ins no big deal... on a momentum car? big deal.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
MichaelJComputer Wrote:Evan Wrote:MichaelJComputer Wrote::?: are you drunk? high? hey, you're the one saying 4 lug is as good as 5 lug.
are you drunk? high?
i'm a genius. seriously, i wouldn't want 5-lug on my car. the entire setup adds about 40-50lbs unsprung weight. on a car with power that ins no big deal... on a momentum car? big deal.
but then you can't the bling-bling'in JDM Type-R wheels to match your mugen oil cap 
I'd probably say let the weight of the car and the power of the engine, matched with the ability of the transmission to transfer the power to determine what lug pattern you decide. I feel a strong engine, matched with a weak tranny will have a harder time transferring the power with more lugs and heavier hubs. I don't know a lot of knowledge related to this, just basing it off of what makes sense in my head. Avaliablity of brake rotors and caliper sizings might also take into account here.
MichaelJComputer Wrote:i'm a genius. seriously, i wouldn't want 5-lug on my car. the entire setup adds about 40-50lbs unsprung weight. on a car with power that ins no big deal... on a momentum car? big deal.
I assume you are being specific whe you say "on my car... 40-50lb"?
On my project, I get different rear hubs, and then just have the hubs redrilled/tapped/studded. So I'd add, maybe 5 pounds total.
http://www.85xr.com
1985 Merkur XR4Ti Track Car
2013 Ford F-150 FX4 Ecoboost
E46 BMW 330Ci Sport 5spd
1973 Honda CL125S
1985 Honda CX500
2013 Arctic Cat 700 ATV
2017 Onewheel +
yeah yeah, on my car. the itr parts necessary (or nsx or prelude or accord) add 40+ pounds. if it's only going to add 5lbs, go for it.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
heh. momentum car.
try telling that to a Formula Vee racer.
Whatever weight your application adds is irrelevant.
5 lug over 4 lug itself is not significantly heavier itself.
that extra 40lbs on yours is due to beefier hubs and bigger brakes, neither of which is a bad thing to have on a track car
Evan Wrote:Whatever weight your application adds is irrelevant.
5 lug over 4 lug itself is not significantly heavier itself.
it absolutely is relevant. my application is MY APPLICATION.
Evan Wrote:that extra 40lbs on yours is due to beefier hubs and bigger brakes, neither of which is a bad thing to have on a track car
you're assuming i'm ok with going as slow as a miata.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
MichaelJComputer Wrote:it absolutely is relevant. my application is MY APPLICATION. and the world doesnt revolve around you.
This thread is about 5 lug vs. 4 lug. Not Mikey's 5 lug vs. 4 lug
Quote:you're assuming i'm ok with going as slow as a miata.
you assume that you are hot shit because you think you can go faster.
put the engine that came in the car back in and maybe someone will give a shit.
and let me know when you even come within 5 seconds of 2:23 at VIR-f like those "slow" miatas
Evan Wrote:MichaelJComputer Wrote:it absolutely is relevant. my application is MY APPLICATION. and the world doesnt revolve around you.
This thread is about 5 lug vs. 4 lug. Not Mikey's 5 lug vs. 4 lug
did i not make valid points for 5 lug v 4 lug? granted it may not be applicable to pete's application, but it may end up help someone else.
Evan Wrote:you assume that you are hot shit because you think you can go faster.put the engine that came in the car back in and maybe someone will give a shit.
awww evan got his panties in a bunch. take a joke.
I Am Mike
4 wheels: '01 RAV4 (Formerly '93 Civic CX, '01 S2000, '10 GTI, '09 A4 Avant)
2 wheels: '12 Surly Cross-Check Custom | '14 Trek Madone 2.1 105 | '17 Norco Threshold SL Force 1 | '17 Norco Revolver 9.2 FS | '18 BMC Roadmachine 02 Two | '19 Norco Search XR Steel (Formerly '97 Honda VFR750F, '05 Giant TCR 2, '15 WeThePeople Atlas 24, '10 Scott Scale 29er XT, '11 Cervelo R3 Rival, '12 Ridley X-Fire Red)
No longer onyachin.
Mike is a poopy-head.
yeah I said it, whatchu gonna do?
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