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Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - BLINGMW - 01-13-2011
I want:
4 adult seats
mid engine (well, almost rear engine)
turbo diesel
as light and small as is reasonable (spartan Honda Elementish interior), certainly less than 3000lbs
dyed plastic skin, no paint
Pretty much a more reasonable, everyday Lotus Evora. Like if a Jetta TDI and Element and Evora had a 3-way.
From a sketch and some measurements from real cars, I don't see why it can't be done.
VW 2.0 TDI engine/drivetrain, mounted in the rear, with all the guts (radiator and such) back there too. Rear trunk would open sort of normally so you could get to everything pretty well. Would need some thought/aero/fans to keep everything cool, should be do-able. Of course tuned up safely a little, 140HP is pretty unnecessarily weak.
Interior room similar to Jetta or 3 series
Fuel tank down the middle, flat floors are for Camrys
Clamshell (suicide) rear doors likely
Cargo space up front
Hell, maybe it wouldn't even need power steering, but it'll be electric if it does
Don't care WTF it looks like. Shock and awe sports toaster. $25k, certainly less than 30.
I could see buying a couple wrecked cars and stitching the guts together for a prototype, steal interior from another car, but how the hell do you get the doors, cabin structure, skin and glass made?
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - Evan - 01-13-2011
isnt it a little early in the day for
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Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - Maengelito - 01-13-2011
![[Image: the_homercar.jpg]](http://jaymontoni.com/the_homercar.jpg)
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - BLINGMW - 01-13-2011
:lol:
come on now. How many can I put you down for?
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - .RJ - 01-13-2011
Will it be called the Mysterio?
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - BLINGMW - 01-13-2011
no that is an entirely different project with different goals.
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - ScottyB - 01-13-2011
powerful like a gorilla, yet soft and yielding like a nerf ball....
buy an RX8 and swap something into it. it's mid engined (front-mid) with 50/50 weigh distribution, 4 doors with no b-pillar, double a-arms, right at 3k pounds, lots of safety, huge brakes, room for really wide tires, good aero....and most importantly because they came with the spinning dorito engine, the early ones are filthy dirt cheap. put a diesel from any FR car in there....lots of mercedes candidates out there
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - BLINGMW - 01-14-2011
yeah, RX8's ok.... I guess....
So here's what I'm talking about, just a rough but dimensionally correct example to show that the packaging could work. Of course the cab shifts forward quite a bit. I found a couple pics with dimensions and laid them in the background for comparison. Cabin outline is drawn to kind of match the Jetta (though it could look much different):
![[Image: path5194.png]](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e19/ecpreston/path5194.png)
As you can see it's got the potential to have as much leg room as a Jetta, the seats are in about the same place. Jetta's about 3 inches taller, my car would shoot for ~54 inches, so maybe a little less head room, thinner seats, or just a lower car. The front wheel obviously encroaches on the footwell, so there'd be some compromises there.
And it's quite roomier than an Evora, but about the same length, ~170 inches. The engine package is about the same size:
![[Image: path5195.png]](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e19/ecpreston/path5195.png)
A 1 series is 171.7 long for reference. Apparently the Evora driver doesn't get a seat, he just uses the unlucky rear passenger's knees. :?:
Wheelbase of ~110 is pretty long, so I wouldn't want to make it much longer to relieve the stumpy nose. That's just going to have to work into the design. There's almost 2ft of space in the engine-trunk for exhaust, radiator, intake, intercooler, shouldn't be a problem. And no, there's not going to be a LOT of room up front for luggage, with front suspension, brake system and such, but it should be enough for a couple decent size bags or a lot of groceries. I'm guessing it would end up being struts all around, but hey, the MR2 Spyder got away with it, I'll just copy whatever they did. Balance front/rear should be better than a Porsche since the engine is further forward.
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - Kaan - 01-14-2011
108 is the center to center on an E36 M3 ... .just so you know the size in your head.
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - ViPER1313 - 01-14-2011
So in other words you want a modern VW van in car form.
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - CaptainHenreh - 01-14-2011
Why the rear/mid engine requirement?
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - Steve85 - 01-14-2011
Sawzall to chop out the area of of the 4th window/3rd seat. Although, you could have an XL version that retains this.
![[Image: vw_bus_draw_59.jpg]](http://www.lowbus.com/images/mainpageimages/vw_bus_draw_59.jpg)
Modern suspension and wheel/tire package gets it out of the sky. If you wanted a lower profile chop-top or channel it. May even consider a suspension system that allows the front seat to be lowered. I think if you're looking for something Element like though, the higher seating position would work.
![[Image: bus3-20-10-06.jpg]](http://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/bus3-20-10-06.jpg)
TDi will fit here no problem
![[Image: bus5-20-10-06.jpg]](http://germancarscene.com/wp-content/uploads/bus5-20-10-06.jpg)
The best part is you could probably find one with all the body mods done, you just need to stick your TDi in it and you have your concept vehicle. For production, a modern aluminum space frame (crash standards, torsional stiffness, blah, blah, blah) your plastic body panels and go easy on the "plush" to save weight.
If I ever win the lottery one of the vehicles in my fleet will be a VW bus like the black one outfitted like a modern minivan/suv
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - BLINGMW - 01-14-2011
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Why the rear/mid engine requirement?It's "the best" for performance. I mean, ideal weight distribution, low powertrain losses... what, I have to explain why supercars, formula cars, sports racers are mid engine? :dunno: Front engine, RWD is ok, but there's a lot of wasted space.
Not sure how a VW van helps me out... I'm describing a 170 inch long, 54 inch high, 4 passenger vehicle. It's not even a hatchback! It's a touch smaller than a 1 series.
Maybe I could base it off a Saturn Ion and keep the entire cabin. Buy one with a smashed up front end, cut the chassis at the firewall, move the front wheels/suspension forward ~7 inches. Buy a rollover Jetta TDI, put the drivetrain and entire front cradle in the place where the Ion's trunk used to be. Build up a structural center tunnel that would further reduce body flex, install custom fuel tank, drive it to a body shop and have them build a nose. Maybe steal one off a Prius. That would work. Sure, it'd be nice to build it off a chassis that already had the wheelbase I want, but then I'm stuck building a cabin.
Plastic skin, custom cabin and A, C pillars, glass, that's the part I think I'd have the most trouble finding someone who could do it.
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - CaptainHenreh - 01-14-2011
BLINGMW Wrote:CaptainHenreh Wrote:Why the rear/mid engine requirement?It's "the best" for performance. I mean, ideal weight distribution, low powertrain losses... what, I have to explain why supercars, formula cars, sports racers are mid engine? :dunno: Front engine, RWD is ok, but there's a lot of wasted space.
Having a 4 door sedan with a 4 cylinder TDI doesn't exactly scream "performance" to me... It sounds more like a rear-engine XB...why not just do FWD?
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - BLINGMW - 01-14-2011
FWD? :?: :?:
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FWIW, 0-60 in the 8 second range is enough straight line performance for me. And it's more than enough for the street, the daily commute. Hell, my current track/daily car is barely less than 10. Any performance dollars beyond that should be in suspension, brakes, tires. I'd much rather have a mid-engine, 2800 lb car that does 0-60 in 8.5 seconds rather than a FWD car that does 0-60 in, well, anything.
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - HAULN-SS - 01-14-2011
you're clearly not thinking like someone who would want to sell more than one of these
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - Mike - 01-14-2011
![[Image: FieroLimo.jpg]](http://www.pauledude.com/images/share/FieroLimo.jpg)
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - BLINGMW - 01-14-2011
well I'm not an auto manufacturer. But making a prototype is something I can at least fathom. And I guess my point is that if it *were* mass produced (and I'm sure it won't be), there's no reason that what I'm asking for would cost more than a Jetta. What I would like to know is if any of you would like to:
make useful suggestions
design the exterior
design the interior
model the suspension
weld together a custom chassis
give me money
suggest and find parts
or, do it all for me and sell it to me :thumbup:
*edit* I like the Fiero limo :lol:
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - ScottyB - 01-14-2011
BLINGMW Wrote:design the exterior
design the interior
in, let me know what kind of details you are looking for (what parts of other cars will you pillage, what is new, etc)
Re: Really. Tell me what I'd have to do to make this car. - Steve85 - 01-15-2011
A basic VW bus is 169" long and 74" tall, including 10" of ground clearance. The chassis is rear drive/rear mount on a ladder style frame and all the suspension components are supported in the aftermarket with tons of information about modifying it. You could throw the body away and conceivably bolt any car with a similar wheelbase in its place. Cut the trunk pan out to drop it over the engine, hell you could probably even use the new cars front suspension. This is certainly no more far fetched than welding together three unibody cars that have all been wrecked just right to suit your needs.
If you're just dreaming about what cars would be best to put together to get your car then it doesn't matter what you start with, just design / build it from the ground up. I think if you want something that has a lot of what you're looking for in a very basic design that can help you pull it off with limited resources then you might want to take a second look. I'm not aware of many 169" long easily modified rear drive/rear mount chassis'.