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RR Needs Some Spark - mrbaggio - 03-06-2008
The RR is in need of a new battery. Any suggestions on getting one on the cheap? Or is it simply a matter of bring the old on to Colman's and just pay it?
- Sijray21 - 03-06-2008
i've got a battery charger you can use if you want. It may not be dead, but if you do need to get a new battery i got mine from BatteryStuff.com
i did a bit of shopping and found that this was good, but relatively inexpensive. Mine was $59 at the time, but this one's $66 (shipped).
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- mrbaggio - 03-06-2008
I might as well try the charger. I think its pretty dead tho. I have been bumb starting the bike for the past few starts :x
will you be home tonight?
- mrbaggio - 03-06-2008
I just called Colman's they want 144 for a replacement battery for the RR!!!!!
- G.Irish - 03-06-2008
Yeah, definitely go aftermarket on the battery, the OEM replacement is stoopid expensive. I order mine from some battery place online but they sucked so I don't recommend them. I think I got a Yacht battery though, when I get home on Sunday I'll take a look (if you haven't already ordered by then).
- Apoc - 03-06-2008
If you can bump start, chances are your battery will take a charge.
Before I got a tender, my SV got so dead the light would barely even come on with the ignition and it wouldn't turn over in the slightest bit. I charged the battery and still haven't replaced it... 3 years later.
- Sijray21 - 03-06-2008
mrbaggio Wrote:I might as well try the charger. I think its pretty dead tho. I have been bumb starting the bike for the past few starts :x
will you be home tonight?
i'll be home late tonight - 11:30ish
give me a call if you want to grab it - we can clutch-start it too to try and get it running to recharge it like Deracola recommended.
- Mike - 03-06-2008
i've got a charger you can borrow... pick it up on your way past my house from work if ya want. i can have it outside there by 5, but i won't be home.
i just go with advance replacements. haven't ridden long enough/had no electrical issues that could kill a battery to say if they're crap or not.
- mrbaggio - 03-06-2008
Yes, G please look. I will wait until next week to get the battery anyway.
Apoc, this battery has been failing since last fall. It has been charged (by running the bike) and discharged a few times because the bike sat most of the winter without a tender. That abuse is making me think it will not hold a charge. Does the battery charger do a better job than riding the bike around for an hour or so? What makes you say the battery should hold a charge just because the bike runs off a bump start? Shouldn't the bike run even if there was no battery at all as long as the circuit is complete?
Mike, I will wait until you are home so you don't have to leave it out or grab Jray's.
The guy at Colman's said the battery for 66 was likely a gel pack. He also said it might not last as long and I could have trouble in cold weather starts. Is any of this true? I am inclined to believe everything coming out of a dealership employee's mouth is pure bullshit.
- Mike - 03-06-2008
mrbaggio Wrote:Mike, I will wait until you are home so you don't have to leave it out or grab Jray's.
i bought it for $10 at a flea market... i have no qualms with leaving it outside. what time do you pass old glebe?
- Sijray21 - 03-06-2008
mrbaggio Wrote:The guy at Colman's said the battery for 66 was likely a gel pack. He also said it might not last as long and I could have trouble in cold weather starts. Is any of this true? I am inclined to believe everything coming out of a dealership employee's mouth is pure bullshit.
sounds like crap to me - i ordered the battery in June of '06 after i bought the bike, never had a problem with it starting, even in winter (never used a tender or a charger either).
- Apoc - 03-06-2008
mrbaggio Wrote:Does the battery charger do a better job than riding the bike around for an hour or so?
ASteele, RJ or PGK may be better equipped to explain the technicals of it... but my understanding is that it does. You might be able to find it in a search because I think it's been discussed here but something about the rectifier not charging the battery efficiently in that amount of time.
It's my understanding that a bike likely won't bump start on a completely dead battery. It needs some juice to run and you've got just enough that you can without it being able to power the starter. A charger should bring you back up to normal operating voltage.
It's entirely possible the battery is damaged beyond repair but I think a charge will do the trick. (Trickle charger if you want to go through long periods of sitting.)
- HAULN-SS - 03-06-2008
Apoc Wrote:It's my understanding that a bike likely won't bump start on a completely dead battery. It needs some juice to run and you've got just enough that you can without it being able to power the starter.
Maybe this doesn't apply, but I've rolled my dirtbike off countless times to start it, and it doesnt even have a battery
- Apoc - 03-06-2008
HAULN-SS Wrote:Maybe this doesn't apply, but I've rolled my dirtbike off countless times to start it, and it doesnt even have a battery
Yeah... it doesn't really make sense to me either since the stator should provide enough electricity to run the bike. I guess with all the other fancy stuff like lights and gauges it needs some juice?
- Mike - 03-06-2008
Apoc Wrote:HAULN-SS Wrote:Maybe this doesn't apply, but I've rolled my dirtbike off countless times to start it, and it doesnt even have a battery
Yeah... it doesn't really make sense to me either since the stator should provide enough electricity to run the bike. I guess with all the other fancy stuff like lights and gauges it needs some juice?
Interestingly, I've heard both sides of this... Common wisdom is that a car won't run without a battery. I've *seen* track cars get bump started (no battery present) and run a full race.
Mayhaps once you add in those electricals that a race car doesn't have, you do need that extra bit of juice now and then? Same as on a bike? When my bike battery was dead, I couldn't roll-start it, but of course my bike isn't really a fair test.
- Evan - 03-06-2008
you want to charge a dead battery (and especially a small capacity batter) with low amperage. 1.5-2a. Riding around isnt as good because it blasts it with more current.
Also charge the battery indoors and let the battery warm to room temperature before plugging it in.
My Schumacher charger has some "desulfration" mode that supposedly brings batteries back from the dead, not sure if it works though (not sure how it would)
- BLINGMW - 03-06-2008
Apoc Wrote:Yeah... it doesn't really make sense to me either since the stator should provide enough electricity to run the bike.
I have more car experience than bike, but if a car battery is really dead, push/roll starting won't work. The battery will absorb whatever the alternator puts out and the voltage won't reach the point that the ECU can operate. Around 9V IIRC, but I'm sure this varies by manufacturer. That being said, I've charged a battery for a little bit that did that and then it was fine again. This after rolling down a whole hill with the car in gear thinking "fire dammit!!!".
Mike Wrote:Interestingly, I've heard both sides of this... Common wisdom is that a car won't run without a battery. I've *seen* track cars get bump started (no battery present) and run a full race.
I don't know what the "common wisdom" is, but this isn't quite right. I understand most cars WILL run without a battery, but it's REALLY not good for the electronics. There's nothing to buffer the voltage spikes the alternator generates. I guess, depending on the quality and health of the voltage regulator, this varies from really bad, ECU instantly dead, to not so bad. I wouldn't try it on MY fuel injected anything. Of course, an older, carb'd car/bike doesn't much care.
HAULN-SS Wrote:Maybe this doesn't apply, but I've rolled my dirtbike off countless times to start it, and it doesnt even have a battery
Keep in mind that a dead battery is very different than no battery. And again, your carb'd bike doesn't care. If you put a really dead battery in it though, it probably wouldn't roll start.
- Apoc - 03-06-2008
While we're at it, let me make a recommendation for a Battery Tender. I have the 1.25a version and I haven't used the 0.75a version but some people swear by it.
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My bike has been living on one every winter for a few years. Install the leads (shown below), run the other end under your passenger seat and be done with it.
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My implementation...
![[Image: bikewinter2.jpg]](http://derecola.com/storage/cars/garage/winter07/bikewinter2.jpg)
- Sijray21 - 03-06-2008
can't you just avoid having to use a battery tender if you just use your bike every now and then in the winter? even just starting it once a week?
i've never used a tender and other than the first dead battery, i've never had a problem starting my bike.
- Apoc - 03-06-2008
Sijray21 Wrote:can't you just avoid having to use a battery tender if you just use your bike every now and then in the winter? even just starting it once a week?
i've never used a tender and other than the first dead battery, i've never had a problem starting my bike.
You can but if the battery is old or you forget, you can get screwed fast. I had the same attitude/method but skipped a few weeks like 3 years ago. The next time I went to start it, it was dead as a freaking doornail. I needed a battery charger anyway, so I got a tender. Now I can winterize my bike, stick it in the closet and forget about it. IMO, $50 to not have to worry about it is worth it... especially since it acts as a charger too.