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clutch problem - ziich - 05-10-2007
edit: 3 months later, my lazy ass finally tends to the problem. details on page 2
Just wondering if anyone has encountered a problem like this and knows of anyway to fix it.
Did an oil change and made the drive down to JMU this past weekend. While I was down there I noticed my clutch starting to chatter a little on 1st gear takeoffs. Also the engagement point started to feel a little lower.
Made the drive home back to nova 3 days later and after work one day I could feel a little loss in pedal pressure and eventually the engagement point was so low that I just couldn't get it in gear.
If I cut the engine, I could put it in gear then start it up and get moving again. But now when I'm at a stop I can't get it into any gear. Sometimes if I'm lucky i can force it in with some grinding.
Clutch fluid level is normal. I don't spot any leaks along the lines or near the clutch pedal. I'm going to find time to flush the tranny fluid just because of all the grinding.
165k miles. master or slave cylinder died?
any thoughts? :?[/b]
- Andy - 05-10-2007
It sounds like either Clutch master or slave cylinder. I would replace the slave first since it's cheaper and easier.
- ScottyB - 05-10-2007
Andy Wrote:It sounds like either Clutch master or slave cylinder. I would replace the slave first since it's cheaper and easier.
i'd vote the slave. at 165k i think you've got your money's worth out of it
- Dave - 05-11-2007
another vote for slave. Sounds a lot like mine that happened on the 240, except I never had any clutch chatter.
- .RJ - 05-11-2007
The slave isnt busted, the clutch disc is - common failure with hondas, the sprung hub fails and one (or more) of the springs back out.
Take the cover off the slave and have someone push the clutch pedal in/out - to make sure its still functional, but its most likely the clutch disc.
- Andy - 05-11-2007
.RJ Wrote:The slave isnt busted, the clutch disc is - common failure with hondas, the sprung hub fails and one (or more) of the springs back out.
Take the cover off the slave and have someone push the clutch pedal in/out - to make sure its still functional, but its most likely the clutch disc.
Check the cheap easies first. Hope that it's the hydraulics and not something that you have to drop the trans for.
- ziich - 05-11-2007
.RJ Wrote:The slave isnt busted, the clutch disc is - common failure with hondas, the sprung hub fails and one (or more) of the springs back out.
Take the cover off the slave and have someone push the clutch pedal in/out - to make sure its still functional, but its most likely the clutch disc.
It's an aftermarket exedy that jayray put in. Don't know how many miles on that exactly, but I had the option to replace it when I did the motor swap, but didn't cause it had plenty of life on it and just put on a new flywheel.
Already ordered a new slave and master cylinder which are coming in tomorrow morning for $120.
- .RJ - 05-11-2007
ziich Wrote:but didn't cause it had plenty of life on it and just put on a new flywheel.
The clutch doesnt have to be worn out for the springs to fail - and it usually happens long before the friction stuff is gone.
ziich Wrote:Already ordered a new slave and master cylinder which are coming in tomorrow morning for $120.
Good luck with that.
- ziich - 05-11-2007
So is that a problem with all Honda B series clutch plates? Or just the OEMs? Cause I've never heard of any problems with Exedy's
I just checked the slave cylinder. The piston does move the fork, but I don't know how much it should move. Moves about 2-3cm.
- .RJ - 05-11-2007
ziich Wrote:So is that a problem with all Honda B series clutch plates?
Yes, more or less. Most of the hubs come from the same place... the OEM clutch disc is probably made by Exedy/Daikin too.
The slave cyl piston should only move a few cm to disengage the clutch.
- ziich - 05-11-2007
well F...
are there any other ways to check if the clutch is in need of replacement without cracking the tranny open?
- .RJ - 05-11-2007
ziich Wrote:are there any other ways to check if the clutch is in need of replacement without cracking the tranny open?
You could pull the inspection plate off that sits between the oil pan and trans case but you really cant see much
- ziich - 05-12-2007
Can I get away with replacing only the clutch plate? Or do I need to replace the pressure plate too?
- Andy - 05-12-2007
If your spring came free, it's going to mess up or at least knick the pressure plate. You're better off replacing the PP and TO as well. Considering that swapping the clutch is a royal PITA, I would check the engagement height and freeplay of the pedal and even then, I would still swap out the hydraulics just in the off chance that I wouldn't have to drop the trans.
- ziich - 05-12-2007
Yeah that's wishful thinking. Based on several account on honda-tech, it does sound like my clutch died.
- ziich - 05-16-2007
So I spent a good night bleeding and rebleeding my clutch fluid. I can't seem to get all the pressure back into the pedal, and the cylinders seem to be working just fine.
So... tranny drop time. However... I'm not looking forward to dropping it in my parent's garage, nor do I really have the time to. So anyone have any idea how much a shop would charge to replace a clutch?
- Sijray21 - 05-16-2007
ziich Wrote:So anyone have any idea how much a shop would charge to replace a clutch?
$150-$250 would be my guess without the cost of the clutch
- .RJ - 05-16-2007
Sijray21 Wrote:$150-$250 would be my guess without the cost of the clutch
Bzzzt... book rate is about 6 hrs @ $75+ per, IIRC.
A good tech can do the job in 1.5 hrs, but you pay by the book.
- Dave - 05-16-2007
RJ, that was your time to say "I only charge XX hours" :-).
- .RJ - 05-16-2007
RJ doesnt need to work on any busted ass hondas