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random question: are hoses considered wear items? - Maengelito - 11-28-2006
a friend of mine has a hyundai that has a leaky power steering hose. according to the dealership, they consider hoses to be wear items therefore its not covered under the hyundai 100k mi warranty. does that sound weird to anyone else or am i missing something?
- .RJ - 11-28-2006
Read the warranty fine print - its all in there
- Apoc - 11-28-2006
Seems normal to me as they wear out over time. Yeah they don't wear down from active use like tires or brake pads but they do get old and crack (kinda like wiper blades).
- BLINGMW - 11-28-2006
I'm not surprised that a company that offers a 100k mile warranty has some pretty creative definitions of "wear items". Personally I would not classify any hose as a "wear item".... just don't ask some BMW owners though, some of them replace 'em every 3 years.
- Andy - 11-28-2006
BLINGMW Wrote:I'm not surprised that a company that offers a 100k mile warranty has some pretty creative definitions of "wear items". .
+1 PS hoses should last more than a 100k miles.
- Evan - 11-28-2006
under a typical definition of "wear" no they are not, because a wear item is something that has a usable portion of material that is consumed by normal operation.
they are however, periodic replacement items
- Maengelito - 11-28-2006
Evan Wrote:under a typical definition of "wear" no they are not, because a wear item is something that has a usable portion of material that is consumed by normal operation.
they are however, periodic replacement items
i understand that they can crack and dry rot and whatnot, but until then, i wouldnt see the point in replacing a hose just because its old.
- Ginger - 11-28-2006
I'm not really surprised they're not covered under warranty. I think that if they broke open prematurely, like 50,000 miles, then the story would be different. I think of a warranty to cover lifetime items, though, like seats, window regulators, seriously wonky engine problems, and so forth... eventually I'd expect a rubber hose to wear out.
*edit* especially a warranty that goes that high
I'm seriously jaded on dealer maintenance, all that said. I kind of assume that they're going to stick you the shaft every chance they get.
- Evan - 11-29-2006
Maengelito Wrote:i understand that they can crack and dry rot and whatnot, but until then, i wouldnt see the point in replacing a hose just because its old.and what happens when a radiator hose cracks and bursts when you are 100 miles from home? you wait until then to replace it?
its called preventive maintenence, sparky
- Maengelito - 11-29-2006
so how often do you replace your radiator hoses? fuel line to the fuel rail? brake lines? doesnt the little time table for scheduled maintenance say to inspect for every interval and not replace?
- Jeff - 11-29-2006
Turbo Dodges are famous for burning down because of old fuel lines. The way the lines are when they crack they blow fuel right on the side of the turbocharger (hot side) and it sounds like firecrackers until it gets to the fuel filter...then it sounds like a hand grenade. Then when it gets to the fuel tank....an A-bomb. Granted these hoses are 15+ years old. I replace ALL my rubber hoses when I acquire a TD I plan to keep. The problem with Kia and Hyundai is their "best warranty in America" is designed like most warranties to prevent as much loss as possible. What arises is people see all the marketing put behind this fabulous warranty and expect it to be so much better then the other companies, then they can't understand why almost everything is not covered after 30K or whatever. The only things really covered by the 100K are the hard drivetrain parts. Which easily and frequently make it to 100K regardless of the mark on the hood. "Wear" items are typically friction items and electrical items. Clutches, brakes, tires, and lightbulbs are usually the first things to go out. I assume one way these companies cut costs is defining anything that deteriorates rapidly as a "wear item." Another trick these 100K warranties pull is they demand that the major services (spark plug replacements, trans flushes) mentioned in the manual MUST be done at the dealership OR (before you freak out and lecture me on the law) be approved by the dealer as done by an outside shop. The dealer must be informed of this work as it is done by outside sources and they have the right to check your car, at their cost, to make sure it was done. If you don't report having had your trans flushed at Jiffy Lube, when your trans shits out before 100k, they simply say, "we have no record of your 60,000mile transmission flush, I'm sorry, we cannot cover that under our warranty." We've had 2 Kia sportages (total pieces of shit) that such a thing has occurred. Further, a friend of mine who lives the next building over almost had to pay $1500 for a transmission in his 2002 Kia, but he made a deal with the dealer that he would have his engine service done (timing belt, plugs, etc.) and they would force the warranty on the transmission though. It cost him $500...."NEVER buy a Kia" he tells me, he doesn't exactly know me all that well...lol.
- Evan - 11-29-2006
Maengelito Wrote:so how often do you replace your radiator hoses? fuel line to the fuel rail? brake lines? doesnt the little time table for scheduled maintenance say to inspect for every interval and not replace?do you need me to draw you a picture?
they wear out, can be time or miles, and it depends on the hose.
this isnt that hard to get maeng
- Maengelito - 11-29-2006
Evan Wrote:Maengelito Wrote:so how often do you replace your radiator hoses? fuel line to the fuel rail? brake lines? doesnt the little time table for scheduled maintenance say to inspect for every interval and not replace?do you need me to draw you a picture?
they wear out, can be time or miles, and it depends on the hose.
this isnt that hard to get maeng
if your picture answers my question, then sure, but words should suffice. was it not a legitimate question or do you not understand unless its preceded or followed by an insult or some other hatage?
- .RJ - 11-29-2006
You're missing the point - you already said it yourself -
Maengelito Wrote:doesnt the little time table for scheduled maintenance say to inspect for every interval and not replace?
If the manual tells you to inspect it, then its a potential service/failure item. Cooling hoses. Power steering hoses. Balljoints. Exhaust. Ad Nauseum.
No service manual is going to tell you to inspect the door hinges or cupholders. Why? They arent going to break.
Depending on the manufacturer, the warranty outside of the standard 3/36 can get pretty limited and depenent on regular maintenance.
- Maengelito - 11-29-2006
.RJ Wrote:If the manual tells you to inspect it, then its a potential service/failure item. Cooling hoses. Power steering hoses. Balljoints. Exhaust. Ad Nauseum.
i would hardly consider an exhaust system to be a wear item. yes they can rust out, but i wouldnt consider that a problem unless you lived areas further north.
- .RJ - 11-29-2006
But what if you do live further north? The warranty is the same no matter what state you live in.
- Maengelito - 11-29-2006
.RJ Wrote:But what if you do live further north? The warranty is the same no matter what state you live in.
then i would be concerned if my exhaust was not covered under warranty. i still wouldnt call it a wear item though. proper care under normal use and it should last the life of a car. i think the same would go for hoses. the same cant be said for tires and brakes whose proper function is to wear down.
- BLINGMW - 11-29-2006
.RJ Wrote:No service manual is going to tell you to inspect the door hinges or cupholders. Why? They arent going to break.
heh... I'd consider some of the crappier thin plastic cup-holders a wear item before I'd consider a hose one!
- .RJ - 11-29-2006
Maengelito Wrote:proper care under normal use and it should last the life of a car
Hows the exhaust manifold and precat doing on your miata?
- Maengelito - 11-29-2006
collecting dust thanks. the previous owner told me that the coilpacks failed which is probably what killed the precat. had he gotten it replaced under warranty, i'm sure they'd be doing fine though