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Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - JPolen01 - 12-22-2015
JustinG Wrote:Yea.....that'll work.About the same amount bitching on fb and taking polls on pro gun websites will. :thumbup:
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Kaan - 12-22-2015
JPolen01 Wrote:Sounds like you should be writing your senator about federal overhaul of all gun laws so it's consistent in every state.
There is one federal gun law that is being ignored. The second amendment
especially the "shall not be infringed" part. in general this is a states rights issue. i just think VA went the wrong way and is going to feel the "states rights" wrath.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Kaan - 12-22-2015
JPolen01 Wrote:JustinG Wrote:Yea.....that'll work.About the same amount bitching on fb and taking polls on pro gun websites will. :thumbup:
the polls are on the news website and bitching of facebook seems to work for those who think guns are bad :thumbup:
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Kaan - 12-22-2015
and by bitching on facebook, i mean spreading it to people who might want to contact the VA AG to tell him he is an idiot.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - JPolen01 - 12-22-2015
Kaan Wrote:I agree somewhat. The constitution gives the "right to bear arms" - it doesn't specify anything about concealed carrying so it's hard to say what is being infringed on.JPolen01 Wrote:Sounds like you should be writing your senator about federal overhaul of all gun laws so it's consistent in every state.
There is one federal gun law that is being ignored. The second amendment
in general this is a states rights issue. i just think VA went the wrong way and is going to feel the "states rights" wrath.
Just trying to play devil's advocate. I don't really see the benefits of VA doing this, but the only real negative is that your VA conceal permit (if you even have one) may no longer be valid in another state at some time in the future. Lot of '"ifs" there and it doesn't seem like the state of VA really gives a shit if you can't carry your gun elsewhere so no real negatives for the state.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Kaan - 12-22-2015
JPolen01 Wrote:I agree somewhat. The constitution gives the "right to bear arms" - it doesn't specify anything about concealed carrying so it's hard to say what is being infringed on.
1700s daily clothes for men
![[Image: 1700man_3.jpg]](http://www.memorialhall.mass.edu/activities/dressup/notflash/images/1700man_3.jpg)
1700s daily clothes for women
![[Image: 1700woman_5.jpg]](http://www.americancenturies.mass.edu/activities/dressup/notflash/images/1700woman_5.jpg)
The big pistol was carried on the horses saddle in the 1700s... i wonder where they put the small one!??!!
![[Image: weapons_2pistols.gif]](http://www.sea-thieves.com/education_pages/education_photos/weapons_2pistols.gif)
the dress, behavior, and weapons of the time indicate "with the common sense approach" they were concealing pistols back in the 1700s when the constitution was written. :thumbup:
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - JPolen01 - 12-22-2015
Good luck with your assuming and "common sense approach" argument. Can I also assume that when the founders wrote "the right to bear arms" they meant I could own a ground to air missile? They didn't say I couldn't!
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - WRXtranceformed - 12-22-2015
I saw NC was one of the states, so am I reading it right in that I won't be able to concealed carry when I visit family in VA? Sorry but this is a BS law to pander to scared, liberal voters, plain and simple. NC has a pretty rigorous concealed carry process, you have a 8 hour class + graded written & firearms target and proficiency tests. Then you have to drive to the main sheriff's office and get finger printed and background checked, and then drive back once you are approved and submit your signed documentation from your class by a certified instructor in order to pick up the permit. What is VA's process like? I can't see what else you need to do than what our state is doing to ensure I am a law-abiding citizen who can legally CC a firearm.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - JustinG - 12-22-2015
I took a 15 question test online, signed my paperwork, got finger printed, and picked up my card 30 days later.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - WRXtranceformed - 12-22-2015
JustinG Wrote:I took a 15 question test online, signed my paperwork, got finger printed, and picked up my card 30 days later.Right then, so with that your legislators are telling me that NC's laws are more lax than VA's and my permit should not be valid there? I'm probably reading this wrong so please tell me if I am, but that is chock full of garbage. You all voted or allowed those people to get voted into office, have fun dealing with that.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Kaan - 12-22-2015
JPolen01 Wrote:Good luck with your assuming and "common sense approach" argument. Can I also assume that when the founders wrote "the right to bear arms" they meant I could own a ground to air missile? They didn't say I couldn't!
actually... the National Firearms Act of 1934 happens to outlaw/regulate items that were commonly used by the founding fathers to establish the United States and common sense says they intended to keep around to keep protecting the United States.
short barreled shotguns, shoulder fired pistols (short barreled rifles), grenades (they have been around since the pyramids!), bombs, explosive missiles, and poison gas weapons were all used during the 1700s and the founding of this nation. SO... should i be allowed to own a ground to air missile? sure, if i could afford it!
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Kaan - 12-22-2015
WRXtranceformed Wrote:JustinG Wrote:I took a 15 question test online, signed my paperwork, got finger printed, and picked up my card 30 days later.Right then, so with that your legislators are telling me that NC's laws are more lax than VA's and my permit should not be valid there? I'm probably reading this wrong so please tell me if I am, but that is chock full of garbage. You all voted or allowed those people to get voted into office, have fun dealing with that.
so NCs laws are more lax. NC isnt banning VA (yet). VA is saying no NC permit holders in VA. What will happen is NC will eventually say no VA permit holders are allowed in NC. the VA AG is ripping up reciprocity agreements with other states, they havent started ripping them up on their end... yet.
its going to be a state vs. state fight. not all the states will rip them up, but some or most will. it would be a HUGE setback to nationalizing the conceal permit. currently with VA and UT permits you get over 30 states covered... this is going to disrupt that. they dont actually care about the rare instance that someone moves out of state and gets a permit or that NC doesnt require range time or 1 more hour of training (the actual issues with each state have not been identified)... they want to break up the ability to conceal a weapon within the boarders of the US
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - WRXtranceformed - 12-22-2015
Right but how are our laws more lax? From what Justin is saying they are more strict.
If you don't have a CC permit, you have to file for Permits to Purchase directly from the Sheriff's office and go through a similar process (minus the range time and class time) in order to buy a firearm at all. And you can only buy 3 of those at a time.
I always hated living in VA and this just fuels my happiness for having left almost 10 years ago
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Kaan - 12-22-2015
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Right but how are our laws more lax? From what Justin is saying they are more strict.
If you don't have a CC permit, you have to file for Permits to Purchase directly from the Sheriff's office and go through a similar process (minus the range time and class time). And you can only buy 3 of those at a time.
I always hated living in VA and this just fuels my happiness for having left almost 10 years ago
so VA is probably saying (since they havent actually said why for each state), that "well you just take a 15 question test and there is no real classroom time so we wont accept it." VA is setting some standard that other states "arent meeting" (probably to the letter of whatever "law") so they are going to cancel the agreements. "lax" is how you define it.
VA doesnt have my fingerprints but they made me sit through a class. UT has my fingerprints AND made me sit through a class. if you think like our lovely AG, UT will say that VA has lax conceal laws and they should ban VA permits in their state.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Evan - 12-22-2015
JPolen01 Wrote:Good luck with your assuming and "common sense approach" argument. Can I also assume that when the founders wrote "the right to bear arms" they meant I could own a ground to air missile? They didn't say I couldn't!trigger warning:
The vast majority of artillery used in the revolutionary war was privately owned. Artillery. ie : big fucking canons ie the biggest most devastating weapon available at the time.
The founding fathers made it very very clear that not only should the people have access to the same weapons as the government , that the necessary accountability of the government to the people depended on it.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Kaan - 12-22-2015
Evan Wrote:JPolen01 Wrote:Good luck with your assuming and "common sense approach" argument. Can I also assume that when the founders wrote "the right to bear arms" they meant I could own a ground to air missile? They didn't say I couldn't!trigger warning:
The vast majority of artillery used in the revolutionary war was privately owned. Artillery. ie : big fucking canons ie the biggest most devastating weapon available at the time.
The founding fathers made it very very clear that not only should the people have access to the same weapons as the government , that the necessary accountability of the government to the people depended on it.
where is the like button for OG Wing?
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - G.Irish - 12-22-2015
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Right but how are our laws more lax? From what Justin is saying they are more strict.
For example, NC allows someone who has a protective order against them to get a concealed carry permit. NC also allows people who were convicted of a misdemeanor with a greater than 2 year sentence to get a concealed carry. Really it amounts to selectively looking at other states' concealed carry laws and deeming them more 'lax'. But as you said, other parts of NC's concealed carry law are more strict. Just more misguided cherry-picking.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Evan - 12-22-2015
JPolen01 Wrote:Why is everyone so upset about VA no longer honoring other states same sex marriages? Seems like a pretty easy way for Virginia to control the same sex marriageprocess and who qualifies in their own state.
JPolen01 Wrote:So go get married, etc in the other state you wish to be considered marriedin. How hard can it be? A one day in person class or maybe something online? Sorry bout it. How often are you in another state that you want to be considered married in (serious question)?
funny how the logic doesnt hold up.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Ken - 12-22-2015
Evan Wrote:JPolen01 Wrote:Why is everyone so upset about VA no longer honoring other states same sex marriages? Seems like a pretty easy way for Virginia to control the same sex marriageprocess and who qualifies in their own state.
JPolen01 Wrote:So go get married, etc in the other state you wish to be considered marriedin. How hard can it be? A one day in person class or maybe something online? Sorry bout it. How often are you in another state that you want to be considered married in (serious question)?
funny how the logic doesnt hold up.
Straw man argument is straw man-ish.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - JPolen01 - 12-22-2015
Yeah not really seeing how that furthers your argument at all. Definitely falls into the straw man category. Same-sex marriage has been determined legal by the Supreme Court (federal govt) while gun laws are handled by the state.