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EL ENCIERRO - Printable Version

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Re: EL ENCIERRO - ScottyB - 06-08-2017

EclipseTurbno93 Wrote:The time draws near for her maiden voyage into the dirt...

DUDE. bring us lots of gopro and tales of adventure. remember, no points for clean and neat lines :lol:

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Re: EL ENCIERRO - *insertusernamehere* - 06-08-2017

I hope there's a jump on the course cause I really wanna catch some air.

Re: EL ENCIERRO - Jake - 06-09-2017

You need to modify the e-brake mechanism so the foot pedal doesn't ratchet/stay down anymore. Third pedal = drift pedal!

Re: EL ENCIERRO - SlimKlim - 06-09-2017

Jake Wrote:You need to modify the e-brake mechanism so the foot pedal doesn't ratchet/stay down anymore. Third pedal = drift pedal!

This is why they pay you the big bucks

Re: EL ENCIERRO - ScottyB - 06-09-2017

also - left foot braking. that's how you go fast in FWD on dirt.

rallyx is the perfect time to try it as the effects will be 2X as apparent compared to doing it on pavement and its super easy to do on an automatic FWD. the e-brake is fun for very sharp turns but the left foot braking is how you really get the balance correct.

Re: EL ENCIERRO - Senor_Taylor - 06-09-2017

I'll make sure my GoPro is charged and ready to go and I'll bring some tools to fix whatever James breaks.

Re: EL ENCIERRO - SlimKlim - 06-09-2017

Where is this going down? Catlett?

Re: EL ENCIERRO - *insertusernamehere* - 06-09-2017

SlimKlim Wrote:Where is this going down? Catlett?
Si papi

Re: EL ENCIERRO - SlimKlim - 06-09-2017

Cool.

Re: EL ENCIERRO - *insertusernamehere* - 06-11-2017

Well alright. Today was an experience and I have to break it down into 2 parts. The day as a whole and then the driving separately.

The day as a whole: very relaxed, small group but a good group of guys n gals. Definitely less in terms of equipment but not bad. I'm not a fan of the workstyle but I suppose they don't have enough classes to break up course working vs drivetime. Autocross you have like 4 or 5 run groups and you work one drive one, where as rallyx it was 2 run groups, work one drive one. That meant you stood in hot sun and pillowing dirt for a little over an hour twice a day. You rotate the two groups once before lunch and then once after lunch. I got sick last thursday and super low on energy so that work schedule just didn't sit well with me. I had feelings of dehydration the entire time despite downing water all day, among other feelings. I could barely force myself to eat lunch so I called it a day and went home after lunch. I couldn't deal with it any longer. All that being said, the upside to the long work shift is you get plenty of runs in. Did 6 runs in the AM... and that segways wonderfully into our next section...

Driving: ooooohhhh man, first off, the Taurus, what an unsuspecting riot. Taylor and James were basically in crew chief mode checking on the car every run. I just got in it and drove until something broke. We were leaking some trans fluid and Taylor had brought some so that went in. It was fine after that. The exhaust hangers (read: coat hangers) got loose so it was hanging a little lower than we would like but it hung on for dear life. As a result of the low hang our ghettoflexpipe popped off. Taylor jacked it up, Joey popped in the stands, James and I got the pipes hooked back up and tightened the clamp, onward we went! We only missed one run from my guesstimations to do the fix and they gave us the run back, yay. Also had a last minute scramble to find an air compressor to get our front tire pressures up to 40. I'd say a better fix for the exhaust is in order aaaaaaannnndd that'd be about it. Just top off the trans and make sure there's fluid in it. It handled 4 consecutive runs with no breaks in between at all fine so *shrug* oh wait, I think a skid plate for both the oil pans are a good idea.

Alrighty, now that all the boring technical stuff is out the way, THE DRIVING!

I'm trying to keep this all fluent because it's sort of information overload trying to remember it all.

We kept the transmission in first gear the whole time which made for some AMAZING VULCAN NOISES and mildly concerning but badass rev limiter bouncing. From the outside it looked very slow but on the inside man this bitch was FLYING. I really enjoyed playing with the different ways to get it to oversteer. Scott left the pro tip for left foot braking and that did wonders. The Taurus was also really good at delivering lift off oversteer. If I didn't really want to brake but needed the back end to come around I'd just give the throttle a quick stab, turn in a wee bit more than necessary and sideways, let the steering angle out a bit and bam I'm looking right at the next cone --> POOOOWWWAAAAHHHH. This was a very good lesson in rotation. Also, being 2 steps ahead of the car. There were moments where I was already turning for the next cone in my head and predicting which way is the back gonna swing by the time I make it to "x" point on the course and then by the time I got there I was correcting it and keeping it mostly straight....mostly. Another good lesson was patience, sometimes it didn't need gas, it didn't need brake, it didn't need steering, ya just had to wait and let the car do it's thang. It'll come around. I can't wait for the times to come out. I know we we're definitely not doing great cause some guys were getting down in the 68's and we were all doing around 75. A guy in a focus hatch was getting around 75 as well so not sure. Because they use cumulative time it was kinda weird to go up and read what my actual runs were not to mention the penalties. We massacred some cones today. So I'm just gonna wait for them to update the website. Probably came dead last. But it was a blast nonetheless. Also looking forward to some video so I can see it from another perspective, we had a GoPro running in the car.

I think I want to keep doing it, but i don't know how I feel about the work schedule, sun and dirt. It's right on the line of having me wonder if its worth it or not. Especially considering it's $75 for more work time, blah. Like I said, I'm stupid sick this weekend and it didn't make any of my experience better, so I guess I owe at least one more shot.

When I was younger it was either WRC or F1 that my dad would have on the tv and for whatever reason F1 never grabbed my attention and I was always hooked to rallying (probably all the flair and scandy flicks) so this was definitely a #dreams #goals kinda thing and I could totally see myself in a fully built car racing down an old dirt country road. Its as much fun as I imagined it would be. Can't wait for pics, video and results for how slow it was compared to all the tiny e30s, miatas and gc8 subies lol.

Re: EL ENCIERRO - Senor_Taylor - 06-11-2017

This thing belongs in the dirt. It really exceeded my expectations, and now that all four of us have Miatas, I think there's no need to autocross it. We need to check into that ATF leak, wire up a fan override, and get some snow tires and I think we'll be golden.

Once Jake Lind brings me my GoPro, I'll have the runs edited up and I'll post it to Youtube. Great job out there, boys!

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Re: EL ENCIERRO - Jake - 06-11-2017

This. Is. So. Wonderful.

I'm glad you guys had fun and Matt, your writing makes it sound like you were really grasping the whole "steer partially by throttle" concept very well so kudos to you! It is really something once that clicks.

How much rev-limiter-banging was going on? The rallycross courses I've run in western MD could all be done in 2nd to give more top-end, at the expense of some bogging through a super-slow turn or two (or you go back to 1st there).

Re: EL ENCIERRO - Senor_Taylor - 06-11-2017

Jake Wrote:This. Is. So. Wonderful.

I'm glad you guys had fun and Matt, your writing makes it sound like you were really grasping the whole "steer partially by throttle" concept very well so kudos to you! It is really something once that clicks.

How much rev-limiter-banging was going on? The rallycross courses I've run in western MD could all be done in 2nd to give more top-end, at the expense of some bogging through a super-slow turn or two (or you go back to 1st there).
The Taurus is either first only or it shifts freely into second and third. The latter is worse to the transmission out there, so I just told everyone to stay in first. The trans is much weaker than the engine.

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Re: EL ENCIERRO - SlimKlim - 06-12-2017

I got some good photos of this in action but I forgot to transfer them off the camera before I left the house this morning. Sorry.

Re: EL ENCIERRO - Jake - 06-12-2017

Senor_Taylor Wrote:
Jake Wrote:This. Is. So. Wonderful.

I'm glad you guys had fun and Matt, your writing makes it sound like you were really grasping the whole "steer partially by throttle" concept very well so kudos to you! It is really something once that clicks.

How much rev-limiter-banging was going on? The rallycross courses I've run in western MD could all be done in 2nd to give more top-end, at the expense of some bogging through a super-slow turn or two (or you go back to 1st there).
The Taurus is either first only or it shifts freely into second and third. The latter is worse to the transmission out there, so I just told everyone to stay in first. The trans is much weaker than the engine.

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Yeah, definitely. All of the back-and-forth shifting would only build more excessive heat from the clutches slipping.

Given it's a well-known trans and electronically controlled, I wonder if you could rig up some simple electronic control to force it into either 1 or 2 as an override to the shifter.

Re: EL ENCIERRO - ScottyB - 06-12-2017

i'm so proud of you guys *tear*

give it a few more events and you'll be starting to finish at the top. i've seen it myself - guys show up in weird, pedestrian cars that don't have a hint of performance in their DNA, and absolutely clean up with them. 90% driver, 10% car at the local events levels.

even moreso when you get some real traction, aka snow tires.

your follow up to-do list should be get a full-time compressor/tire guage, fix that tranny leak, and then look into cheap skidplates made from whatever you can find. after that, start pulling weight.

Jake Wrote:Given it's a well-known trans and electronically controlled, I wonder if you could rig up some simple electronic control to force it into either 1 or 2 as an override to the shifter.

if you guys install a manual valve-body ratchet shifter into the taurus you're going to become internet heroes, i swear. maybe a job for the new Madison Auto Apprentices?

*insertusernamehere* Wrote:That meant you stood in hot sun and pillowing dirt for a little over an hour twice a day. You rotate the two groups once before lunch and then once after lunch. I got sick last thursday and super low on energy so that work schedule just didn't sit well with me.

i'm sorry, i should have remembered to say something about this - you need to either have a Camelbak or a gallon thermos of ice water with you at these events. you work very long stretches as you found out, its just the way they have to format it, because the course changes and ruts up, or "wears in" which gives the early runs an advantage so they have to fit all the classes into the morning and then run all the classes again in the afternoon to even out the advantages.

there's a reason i don't run events from about June to August. its completely punishing unless you have a canopy shelter or trees to stand under when you work.

Re: EL ENCIERRO - SlimKlim - 06-12-2017

So yeah, this thing was awesome. It sounds way, way better than it has any right too, and it hustles along that course pretty well, once you get it moving anyway.

I had a blast checking this event out, I've always been interested in them but I've never made it out to one. I have to admit seeing all the little 1st gen budget-build Imprezas out there has got me seriously mulling over finding myself a car to run next season.

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Re: EL ENCIERRO - SlimKlim - 06-12-2017

In all it's glory...

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Re: EL ENCIERRO - *insertusernamehere* - 06-12-2017

Peeeerrfeeeccctttt

Re: EL ENCIERRO - EclipseTurbno93 - 06-12-2017

I will do a write up at some point but I'll leave this here for now as an accurate description of my day:
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