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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 12:20 PM)CaptainHenreh Wrote:(09-24-2020, 12:10 PM)Apoc Wrote: Maybe not belabor the point or, at the least, try not to turn a positive message into an opportunity to bitch?
Sorry, my inner "fucking moron" was talking.
A+ effort at letting it go.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - G.Irish - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 12:46 PM)HAULN-SS Wrote:What are you on about? The report you're citing literally tells you what was the factual basis of the investigation, how the decision was made to start the investigation, who was involved in that decision, and whether all that amounted to a correct decision to begin the investigation. You don't even have to read the whole thing, you can read the executive summary.(09-24-2020, 11:55 AM)Ken Wrote:(09-24-2020, 11:46 AM)D_Eclipse9916 Wrote: You are repeating what I said in your quoted. Can I ask what your point is?
Yes, terrible savings account; but it's a social safety net, not an investment. The more you make the less benefit you receive, which is kind of the point. SS has never been touted as a high return investment. SS paying out to widows, disabled and those who can barely pay for their rent, nevertheless into their IRAs is a gift that helps lift many out of poverty who would otherwise go destitute. And come on the payouts are just barely enough to keep rent paid, its not like their going to aruba. Plus unlike other social programs, they pay directly into it while they work and benefits are proportional to how much they put in!
Once again, it's the inability for some to emphasize with those less fortunate. Some don't realize how difficult it is for the less fortunate to invest/save, let alone even have access to a reliable institution to do so. Remove SSA and, as you mentioned, those people then become reliant on government that is even less ready for that burden. But, i guess, "fuck you, i got mine."
(09-24-2020, 11:53 AM)G.Irish Wrote:(09-24-2020, 10:46 AM)HAULN-SS Wrote:Clearly you did not read the Horowitz report.(09-24-2020, 10:05 AM)G.Irish Wrote: I meant exactly what I said. The FBI is responsible for counterintelligence investigations, the FBI launched a properly predicated investigation into the Trump campaign due to suspicious contacts with Russian nationals, and as a result of that investigation, 7 members of the Trump campaign have been convicted of crimes.
The Horowitz report disputes none of that. It says that the FBI made omissions and errors in fact in obtaining FISA warrants, particularly in the case of Carter Page. Page was not a source for the CIA since 2013. The Horowitz report states clearly that there was a proper predicate for the investigation and that the investigation was not started due to political bias.
The worst you can say is that FBI agents conspired against Carter Page to surveil him when they might not have had enough justification to do so had they not cooked their FISA applications.
You keep saying properly predicated, but the whole investigation was fruit of the poisonous tree. Agents willfully ignored the fact that the predicated was DNC paid for opposition research. It has been proven that even the primary sourcing in the Steele dossier said that he and some buddies got drunk and tried to figure out how to get as much money as possible out of Steele.
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No, but OANN summarized it so well!
Oh you guys fucking burned me good. I had to look up what OANN is. I clearly linked the fucking summary of the report direct from source to make it easy for you to find it. Y'all need to step back a little and think about what your AI driven echo chambers are delivering to you to consume partial reports, incomplete sets of facts or other highly viral bullshit. I don't have time to build you a paint by numbers guide of cited sources that you won't read anyway.
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 01:20 PM)Apoc Wrote:(09-24-2020, 12:20 PM)CaptainHenreh Wrote:(09-24-2020, 12:10 PM)Apoc Wrote: Maybe not belabor the point or, at the least, try not to turn a positive message into an opportunity to bitch?
Sorry, my inner "fucking moron" was talking.
A+ effort at letting it go.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - BLINGMW - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 10:21 AM)CaptainHenreh Wrote:
(10-20-2016, 11:15 AM)BLINGMW Wrote: So vote. But please vote for who you want to win, even if it's Joe Exotic.
WHAT DID YOU KNOW?!???!!!
HAHA surprise I in no way remember writing that!
I would encourage some of you to re-think your assumptions about why a doomed few of us would vote for something other than the 2-party system. For me it's the opposite of being "short sighted". And I really need someone to explain to me how it equates to a "vote for Trump". It's my belief that the 2-party system is killing us, and while one of the two guys might be less bad, it's the continuation of that binary choice and focusing on the now that is far worse than either of them. Please consider that as strongly as you might feel that I'm "throwing my vote away", I may feel the same way about your continually voting us further into the trap.
As far as LGBTQ people, immigrants, and non-whites feeling threatened, you have every reason to feel that way. But Democrats didn't make gay marriage ok. Democrats aren't decriminalizing drugs or making sweeping changes in our judicial system. Having a black president didn't make racism go away and Obamacare didn't fix our heathcare system. Democrats did nothing to improve our immigration system or our schools. Heck, they didn't even take my guns away. The Democrat party doesn't love you. It's public opinion that pushes acceptance and large changes. Most of us will continue to live and work together and learn to appreciate each other and the still-really-very-recent dawn of the internet is making the world smaller. But those who want to hide, hate, and refuse to change will always find a place to do that.
Sorry for the poorly informed rant, go back to yelling.
(09-24-2020, 11:41 AM)rherold9 Wrote: I'm just surprised that with all the atrocities/issues we aren't talking too much about how this man thinks we are somehow Russia now and he is the dictator. Just crazy to think after everything that has happened it doesn't even strike a chord as it's just a fraction of the issues out there....
The guy says a new crazy thing every day to fuck with the press. Just stop listening. It's not news.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 09-24-2020
I'm willing to wager that exactly zero people changed their minds as a result of anything said here.
At least we got to kill some time at work, though.
Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - rherold9 - 09-24-2020
The thing about political arguments isn't anything that it changes your views usually, but you get to learn about who the people are arguing
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Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 02:25 PM)BLINGMW Wrote: I would encourage some of you to re-think your assumptions about why a doomed few of us would vote for something other than the 2-party system. For me it's the opposite of being "short sighted". And I really need someone to explain to me how it equates to a "vote for Trump".
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The guy says a new crazy thing every day to fuck with the press. Just stop listening. It's not news.
Counter argument: Your vote is either for the continuation of a 2 party system or Trump’s new one party system. A vote for libertarian is a vote for a one party system.
Edit: or should I just assume he is all talk. I dislike Trump for a lot of reasons, but he is anything but all talk.
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Gordonovski - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 02:25 PM)BLINGMW Wrote: The guy says a new crazy thing every day to fuck with the press. Just stop listening. It's not news.
He also says these "whacky, crazy things" to inspire racists to be racist, sexists to be sexist, fascists to be fascist, homophobes to be homophobic, etc.
They aren't ignoring him so neither am I/are we.
Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 09-24-2020
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - BLINGMW - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 03:24 PM)ViPER1313 Wrote: Counter argument: Your vote is either for the continuation of a 2 party system or Trump’s new one party system. A vote for libertarian is a vote for a one party system.
How is he going to delete the Democrat party? The conservative judicial branch votes to liquidate the house and senate? Pays Putin to poison all dissenters? Only gives coronavirus vaccine to republican party contributors?
Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 09-24-2020
The same way Russia is still a democracy. Delegitimization of the elections. Failure to accept the results. Stacking the courts with other Republicans who will side with him. Weaponize the justice department. Remain in power.
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - BLINGMW - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 07:37 PM)ViPER1313 Wrote: The same way Russia is still a democracy. Delegitimization of the elections. Failure to accept the results. Stacking the courts with other Republicans who will side with him. Weaponize the justice department. Remain in power.
Ah that. Maybe a few things would make you feel better. There have been quite a few times that one party held a majority in all 3 branches of the federal government. Fortunately "hey, we should just take over" isn't a novel thought, our constitution has protections for that. And the elections are run by the states, so they will continue. I'm confident we'll drag him away if we have to.
Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 09-24-2020
Have those times also included a President with a well documented hard-on for fascist dictators and a cult like, brown shirt esque force spurred into violent acts by and for the president?
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - BLINGMW - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 08:26 PM)ViPER1313 Wrote: Have those times also included a President with a well documented hard-on for fascist dictators and a cult like, brown shirt esque force spurred into violent acts by and for the president?
The new president, elected by the states, is the commander of *THE* US military. You are severely overestimating the power and number of Trump's followers, even if that included Russia. Are you suggesting Trump has enough followers in the military that the entire military structure fails and fights itself, and the Secret Service refuses to protect the new guy and helicopters Trump to some secret base? It's not even a plausible movie plot. The constitution is not going to fall apart just because a guy really really wants another term.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 08:26 PM)ViPER1313 Wrote: Have those times also included a President with a well documented hard-on for fascist dictators and a cult like, brown shirt esque force spurred into violent acts by and for the president?
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I mean FDR couldn't pull it off, and Fascism was very en vogue at the time.
Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 09-24-2020
All it would take is Trump legally challenging the results in a few key swing states (PA, NV, with Republican governors) to not certify the election results because of MaSSIVE VoTEr FRaUd. This could result in neither candidate reaching a full 270 votes needed to win. Combine this with the fact that Trump will call for his supporters to go to the streets if he loses:
“A study from the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group found nearly 1 out of 4 voters – 22% of Democrats and 21% of Republicans – said some amount of "violence" would be justified if the candidate they oppose wins the White House.
Nearly-one third of Americans, 29%, said it would be appropriate if Trump loses but refuses to leave office because he claims he has credible evidence of illegal voting. An ever greater number of Democrats, 58%, said it would be appropriate to call for an election do-over if Biden wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college.”
The combination of chaotic, violent clashes over the result, calls for a do-over and states failing to certify the results would likely push the decision of a president well past Jan 6th given the court challenges involved, and the interim chaos would also give Trump the reason he needs to “restore order.”
It’s not far fetched. This could very well happen IMO. Read more here - https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.” -Martin Niemöller
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - BLINGMW - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 09:29 PM)ViPER1313 Wrote: It’s not far fetched. This could very well happen IMO. Read more here - https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj
So, I'm probably not going to read that whole document, but I'm glad you've given it more thought than I have.
Let's say all that happens, the election is invalidated, somehow he games himself 4 more years and everyone is extra pissed off and 22% of Democrats quit their jobs for full time rioting. I'm still confident we'd have another election 4 years later, and then tell ya what, I'll vote Democrat. But are you saying in the next 4 years, the Republican party now has time to enact their diabolical plan (whatever that may be), re-writes the constitution, and other horrible things? They had the majority in 2017, why didn't they do it already?
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 09-24-2020
Term limits getting removed is usually the next step.
Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 10:19 PM)Apoc Wrote: Term limits getting removed is usually the next step.
But don’t take my word for it! [emoji23]
“"We are going to win four more years, and then after that, we'll go for another four years because they spied on my campaign. We should get a redo of four years."
Donald Trump
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 09-25-2020
Our boy Mitch proposed repealing 22A about 25 years ago, in case anyone was curious.
That doesn't exactly put him in exclusive company, but it shows he's not opposed to the idea.