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Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - CaptainHenreh - 04-29-2013
WRXtranceformed Wrote:<3 you Rex, exactly what I was looking for. Do upgraded recoil pads help at all? Or are the stock ones on those level of shotgun going to be as good as an aftermarket replacement?
I'm pretty sold on the Citori at this point as a late birthday gift to myself, just debating on what level I can afford right now with 98% of the wedding expenses falling on my shoulders.
Recoil pads do help, but if you really want to be serious you'll have a recoil pad installed when you get your gun fitted by a pro. (I've never had that done). Don't get some bullshit slipon limbsaver pad. They're all gonna laugh at you, if you do that. If you really need "just a little bit extra" many of those clay shooter vests have a little padding on the shooting shoulder that will get you by.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Apoc - 04-29-2013
My gun's pretty heavy and my forearms let me know by the end of the third round.
I was also able to shoot a 22 in a third round on my third outing with the gun. So, there's that.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - WRXtranceformed - 04-29-2013
Great. Whatever I end up getting, I will probably end up rocking the stock pad unless it really starts to bother me. I went three rounds with my buddy's old pump 12ga from the 50's with absolutely no recoil pad and was just a little sore with no bruising on Sunday, so anything over that would be a definite upgrade
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Evan - 05-03-2013
Ryan T Wrote:So to celebrate my being born Samantha bought me a 5.11 holster undershit. It's pretty comfortable and so long as I"m wearing a buttom up shirt (like a suit shirt) my Glock 19 is very well concealed. Obviously the bigger glock prints a bit under a t-shirt, but I could see this shirt being very comfortable for jogging/bike rides. I intend to wear it to work on days that I wear a suit and IWB holsters aren't as feasible. Firearm on one side and a spare magazine on the other. The weight bearing part of the shirt actually goes all the way across your shoulder so it doesn't feel like the shirt is being pulled down.
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How is this shirt working out for you Ryan?
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Ryan T - 05-04-2013
Evan Wrote:Ryan T Wrote:So to celebrate my being born Samantha bought me a 5.11 holster undershit. It's pretty comfortable and so long as I"m wearing a buttom up shirt (like a suit shirt) my Glock 19 is very well concealed. Obviously the bigger glock prints a bit under a t-shirt, but I could see this shirt being very comfortable for jogging/bike rides. I intend to wear it to work on days that I wear a suit and IWB holsters aren't as feasible. Firearm on one side and a spare magazine on the other. The weight bearing part of the shirt actually goes all the way across your shoulder so it doesn't feel like the shirt is being pulled down.
How is this shirt working out for you Ryan?
I really like it, but it isn't the answer for all concealed carry by any means. If you are just wearing a t-shirt/polo it is hard to conceal with this shirt. While it doesn't exactly print a pistol on your side; with a polo or t-shirt it is hard to hide that there is something underneath your arm. But if you are wearing a larger shirt/suit/jacket, you would never know. I can wear my Glock on one side and 2 spare mags on the other with an untucked buttonup suit shirt and be fine. If you put on a suit jacket or any other jacket on top of a shirt you would never be able to see a firearm. If you are concealing a single-stack compact firearm you will have no problems with this shirt. If you are concealing a double stack larger pistol you will have to wear a larger shirt/put some more thought into your outerwear shirt. The holster built into the shirt is pretty deep and it tends to put the firearm pretty deep underneath your arm. It does a great job of holding any weapon close to your body and does not allow it to fall away from you. While it is not really difficult to get to it will def. take some practice.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - WRXtranceformed - 05-05-2013
For anyone looking for a good rifle at a decent price, PSA has their Mid Premium Patrol Rifle back up for sale, albeit a couple hundred dollars more expensive than it used to be. It's still a great deal for the gun, that optic alone is $400.
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Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Evan - 05-06-2013
Thanks Ryan, Im just looking to conceal a single stack micro pistol so sounds like that shirt should work in most situations.
in other news,
99% 3D printed (including the barrel) single shot handgun/zipgun (uses a nail for firing pin)
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an interesting exercise, but thats about it, really IMO.
youre looking at many hours of 3d printing time on a many thousand dollar machine for 1 shot.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - HAULN-SS - 05-06-2013
In related news, staples now sells a 3D printer for $1300
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Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - CaptainHenreh - 05-06-2013
This has what to do with the price of tea in china?
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - JustinG - 05-07-2013
2 second graders in Suffolk, VA suspended for pretending pencils were guns.....
Quote:Suffolk Public Schools spokeswoman Bethanne Bradshaw says a pencil is considered a weapon when it's pointed at someone in a threatening way and gun noises are made.
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Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Jewels - 05-07-2013
Listen, I'm pro gun and all. But this smells of a really, really bad idea. It'll send the 2nd Amendment back 10 years if they do this. And people will get shot.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/protest-group-plans-july-4-march-on-washington-with-loaded-rifles/2013/05/07/59b8e392-b727-11e2-aa9e-a02b765ff0ea_story.html?hpid=z3
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - G.Irish - 05-07-2013
Jewels Wrote:Listen, I'm pro gun and all. But this smells of a really, really bad idea. It'll send the 2nd Amendment back 10 years if they do this. And people will get shot.Hopefully both sides will exercise some sense and restraint. I'd hate to see a fucking shootout on July 4th. And it would harm the cause of responsible gun owners far more than it would help.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/protest-group-plans-july-4-march-on-washington-with-loaded-rifles/2013/05/07/59b8e392-b727-11e2-aa9e-a02b765ff0ea_story.html?hpid=z3
Official MM Firearms Thread - JPolen01 - 05-07-2013
I just can't wait to see how many of these guys shoot themselves. Last time they had a "gun day" I think 5-6 people ended up shooting themselves by accident. I think it was whatever rally thing that happened on MLK Day.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - Goodspeed - 05-07-2013
CaptainHenreh Wrote:This has what to do with the price of tea in china?
Printing of firearm related stuff. Some people in Congress are worried about 3d printed guns and the Undetectable Firearms Act. Someone printed (large parts of) an AR IIRC, but it fell apart after 5 or 6 shots.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - CaptainHenreh - 05-07-2013
Goodspeed Wrote:CaptainHenreh Wrote:This has what to do with the price of tea in china?
Printing of firearm related stuff. Some people in Congress are worried about 3d printed guns and the Undetectable Firearms Act. Someone printed (large parts of) an AR IIRC, but it fell apart after 5 or 6 shots.
No, I know that. Have these people never heard of CNC machines? I mean, I could build a better firearm with a trip to lowes than with a 3000+ dollar 3d printer. This is all much ado about nothing.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - HAULN-SS - 05-07-2013
what about when that 3d printer is $300
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - BLINGMW - 05-08-2013
HAULN-SS Wrote:what about when that 3d printer is $300
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Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - CaptainHenreh - 05-08-2013
HAULN-SS Wrote:what about when that 3d printer is $300
What about it? It's still more expensive than going to your local hardware store for some nails, pipe, and springs.
You can't 3d print a reliable barrel. Call me when I can print 6160 aluminum and have it be the same strength, or chrome moly steel.
Making an AR lower from a 3D printer does not impress me. I've seen dudes make them from cutting boards and be able to slap an upper on it for function... Making a zip gun with a 3d printer doesn't impress me either. All the hullabaloo about "undetectable" guns misses the point entirely. Defense Distributed isn't interesting because it makes guns from 3d printers. It's interesting because NC machines have gotten cheap enough for hobbyists and (this is my shocked face:
hock: ) hobbyists are using them. CNCGuns has been a website since 2004, but I haven't seen anyone wringing their hands over the solidworks drawings he's posted.I guess I'm just not impressed because I actually know my ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to guns, and most politicians and journalists don't. To me, the magazine project was infinitely more interesting than his "guns".
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - G.Irish - 05-08-2013
HAULN-SS Wrote:what about when that 3d printer is $300I'm with Rex, not interesting at all, except for the panicky people who don't know anything about guns. The news story on this popped on a TV in our office and a coworker was like, "They could slip these guns past security." *Sigh* Until someone makes plastic bullets this is a non issue.
And as Rex said, anyone with a CNC machine and some skill could actually make a decent gun and home CNC machines have actually been getting a lot cheaper and more powerful. Not that I necessarily want ignorant people to freak out over that too.
Re: Official MM Firearms Thread - CaptainHenreh - 05-08-2013
In actual gun news, my LGS had a Tavor on the wall, and I spent some quality (non-firing) time with it.
Here's what I said before I handled it:
CaptainHenreh Wrote:#1: Mag changes are radically different from a "standard" rifle layout. You're doing it 100% blind, and if you have a bumblefuck malfunction, you're putting the muzzle in the air and looking into your armpit to resolve it.
#2:Yes, but you pay for that by having things going bang right next to your face. For some people, this is simply a bridge too far. Not a big issue for me, but I understand why people wouldn't like it.
#3: It's not going to have any more or less muzzle rise than any other 5.56 carbine of the same weight, barrel length, and muzzle device. And, I mean, the 9mm conversion, while cool, isn't anything I can't do with an AR also...for about half the price.
#4: An AR converts to <damn near any caliber you can think of up to and including .50BMG.> I like that they're offering two calibers out of the box (2 more than Bushmaster has done with the ACR) but the really interesting one is 9mm, not 5.45. There's no domestic manufacturer of 5.45 so unless you've stacked it deep in your basement already I don't see this as a *huge* plus.
#5: Yeah? I guess? As a downside you can't get your support arm fully locked (the gun isn't long enough) for rapid target transitions...the short overall length should offset that, but definitely did *not* on my MSAR.
#6: It is a very well thought out design, and I like the way it breaks down also. But it doesn't look any better than, for example, the ACR or a G36 or any other "modern" (post AK/AR) design.
#7: Ambidextrous, but not all the time. Your charging handle is going to be on one side, or the other. Ejection is going to be right by your face if you're shooting weakside, and while it won't smack you in the face with hot brass like my MSAR did, I assure you it's gonna be very disconcerting.
I mean, again...if they were 1500 bucksish I'd probably buy one.
#1: Mag changes were a BREEZE. The empty mag drops right out with a tick of the mag release, and the magwell was big enough that I was able to get a fresh one in blind on the first try. It's clearly designed for mag retention, as if you "grip" the mag the mag release is RIGHT THERE but I also slapped the mag release with my "fresh" mag and the spent one dropped right out. AND OH, when you're done your mag change, guess where your thumb is? Right by the ENORMOUS bolt release button. Wow. Just wow. Big levers and buttons make for a happy Rex, and I was very happy.
#2: The gun was heavier than I expected. It might give the operator enough confidence to not worry about their face when pulling the trigger. On the flip side...it was pretty porkly. I'd say about the same weight as my sig, maybe a little heavier. But the SIG is a heavy sonofabitch, so.
#4: Still not overly impressed by the caliber change thing but the gun did look pretty user-armorable. Barrel lock mechanism seemed easy, the trigger pack drops out with two captive pins. (OH, ALL THE PINS ARE CAPTIVE HOORAY)
#5: This was still an issue. I've shot this way long enough that I really wanted to stretch my arm out, and couldn't. It's probably not a big deal, because the gun is so very very short (and it is a short motherfucker let me tell you)
#6: Still feel the same way. It's cool, but it's not a 40w plasma rifle. (Just what you see, pal.)
#7: I guess it isn't any MORE ambidextrous than any other rifle out there, but it certainly isn't any less. I switched to left side, and I think the only time I'd really have a problem is if I were shooting weakside AND had a malf I needed to clear. I'd like to induce some double feeds and see how easy that is to clear, and I'd love to talk to some Ninjews about what kind of malfs/failures they see in the field. I know I commented about the safety, that's a non issue. Safety goes on and off with ease with a firing grip. Wish it were ambi so I could sweep the safety "on" with my trigger finger (as I've learned to do with my AR's/SIG) but I imagine that's just a simple swap.
If it had been 1500 otd I'd have had to ask myself some very difficult and uncomfortable questions about how badly I wanted to have a fight with my wife. At 2000, it's safe on the gunshop wall. But at 1500...if IWI could keep up with production...you could have a real winner. Everyone on the internets is raving about it, and it's pretty easy to see why. It doesn't feel cheap or poorly thought out. The barrel seemed high quality. The back up irons were serviceable, and seemed fairly rugged for being Popsicle sticks. Without shooting it, I'd say if you can get one for under 2k (even a dollar under) and the idea tickles your gizzard...go ahead and do it, I doubt you'll be disappointed. I think this is without a doubt the Best Bullpup Ever Made, and if that's something you'd be into, just go ahead and buy.
My solitary complaint was the trigger. The trigger action itself was decent enough for a bullpup (about the same as a "GI" AR trigger) but there didn't seem to be much room between the frame and the trigger for a good pair of gloves. Could be an issue, could not...I'd have to shoot it with gloves to see.