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Re: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 12-09-2015

I find the profile of the 570S attractive, the front and rear less so. I'm kind of excited to see what the P14 looks like, supposedly it's gonna look more daring than the P1. Might be awhile before we see the P14 though.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 12-10-2015

Guy buys "pre owned" M3 and experiences squeaky brakes and clunky steering. His girlfriend spots the exact car being hooned around the TG test track. Dealer then buys back car. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-guy-bought-a-problematic-bmw-m3-then-saw-his-car-had-been-abused-by-top-gear/">https://www.carthrottle.com/post/this-g ... -top-gear/</a><!-- m -->


Re: Automotive News Discussion - HAULN-SS - 12-14-2015

Hey did any of you guys get your FREE VW money yet? Haven't had anything show up in my mailbox yet.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 12-14-2015

HAULN-SS Wrote:Hey did any of you guys get your FREE VW money yet? Haven't had anything show up in my mailbox yet.

Not yet.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - Jake - 12-14-2015

My friend Christina went and got her gift card from a local dealership (I think where she bought her car) yesterday. Seems like they are starting to pay out.

Granted, she has a 2015 Golf TDI (or is it a '14? first year of Mk7) that she bought new so I dunno what the treatment is for used buyers.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - HAULN-SS - 12-15-2015

Must've just had to think harder about it..gift cards were in the mail when I got home


Re: Automotive News Discussion - WRXtranceformed - 12-16-2015

Question for the MM crew who has been down this route: What does new car negotiation look like when you are specing out a vehicle and ordering it to be built? I know that dealers typically negotiate heavily on in-stock inventory so that they can move units, or if they are a high volume dealer and need to hit a mfg sales goal to qualify for a massive kickback bonus, but what about cars you are going to order? Same thing? Can I spec out a vehicle to be built and then go from dealer to dealer to see who will drop their pants the most? Discuss Smile


Re: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 12-16-2015

I have never done this but have a hard time believing anyone is going to go nuts with the discounts when you are ordering something specific. They know you want CarTruckSuv w/ x, y, z. Why would they be inclined to give you a deal on that?


Re: Automotive News Discussion - WRXtranceformed - 12-16-2015

JPolen01 Wrote:I have never done this but have a hard time believing anyone is going to go nuts with the discounts when you are ordering something specific. They know you want CarTruckSuv w/ x, y, z. Why would they be inclined to give you a deal on that?
That was my initial thought, I guess it comes down to whether I give them my money or another dealer for the same product. They would have to be willing to cut into their margin to get my business. But again I don't know how specing out a car works with discounts / sales price.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - WRXtranceformed - 12-16-2015

Found this from Edmunds:

Quote:Car Ordering Checklist:
Follow these simple guidelines if you decide to custom-order your next new car:

Decide what you really want: The whole point of custom-ordering a new car is to revel in a sense of personalization, so you need to figure out not only what your next vehicle will be but how you want it equipped. If you're shopping for a Honda or Acura, the option choices are very limited. If you're talking Ford F-150 or Porsche 911, there is a laundry list of options and trim levels to consider.
Don't get too carried away with the options: While it may be tempting to just check off every item on the options list, don't do it. This will cost you more now, and when you go to sell the car, you probably won't recover the extra cost. If you care more about getting exactly the vehicle you want than you do about its future resale value, there's no problem. You just have to realize that your specific tastes might not be shared by the car-buying public a few years from now. Less popular options on a vehicle don't necessarily add to the resale value, and in most cases, actually decrease it. When people are looking to buy your car used, they are more interested in saving money than paying for your chrome wheels or technology package. Finally, once you've equipped your vehicle, use our affordability calculator to see if it is really within your means.
Plan ahead: If you plan carefully, your custom-ordered vehicle will arrive just as your old car is picked up by the leasing company or is being sold to its new owner. Few of us purchase a car on a whim or are forced to replace our current vehicle in a matter of days or weeks. Don't let a two-month wait for a custom-ordered car be your excuse. A little planning makes this aspect of custom-ordering your new car a non-issue.
Find the right dealer: When you custom-order a vehicle, your relationship with the dealer becomes critically important. This is the organization you'll be talking to throughout the process, which means it will take your initial order and if it is a good dealership, happily keep you updated on your car's progress as you wait for it to be built. Choose your dealership for a custom order just the way you would if you were simply buying a car off a lot: Read reviews and talk to friends who have bought there to ensure you're going to have a smooth experience.
Negotiate as if the car were on the lot: Just because you're ordering a vehicle doesn't mean that your ability to negotiate goes out the window. Check Edmunds.com's TMV® price, then call other dealers to see what they quote you. Keep this in mind: If the vehicle is in high demand, you may sometimes end up paying sticker price.
Make sure the deposit is refundable: Most dealers will require a deposit when ordering a vehicle. Make sure this deposit is refundable in case you change your mind or find the car somewhere else. Also note: Some dealers may elect to hold the deposit until the car is sold.
Get it in writing: Once you've talked numbers and decided on the options you want, be sure to get the details in writing. Make sure this document has the correct information and the price you agreed upon.

Looks like I can go after it and put a few dealers up against each other, nice


Re: Automotive News Discussion - Jake - 12-16-2015

I put like five dealers against each other when I ordered my Focus ST. Started with X-Plan pricing and went down from there. The final two dealers who were competitive on price ended up being $800 apart with what they could do. It's definitely possible.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - davej - 12-16-2015

yeah, i would think this is actually easier for them as they just have to copy/paste your build sheet into their order and wait for it to show up vs trying to find your specs on a lot somewhere. I'd assume they'd still get credit for a sale unless the mfg has some penalty for special orders or something. Email your list around and let the browbeating begin.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - Ken - 12-16-2015

WRXtranceformed Wrote:Found this from Edmunds:

Quote:Car Ordering Checklist:
Follow these simple guidelines if you decide to custom-order your next new car:

Decide what you really want: The whole point of custom-ordering a new car is to revel in a sense of personalization, so you need to figure out not only what your next vehicle will be but how you want it equipped. If you're shopping for a Honda or Acura, the option choices are very limited. If you're talking Ford F-150 or Porsche 911, there is a laundry list of options and trim levels to consider.
Don't get too carried away with the options: While it may be tempting to just check off every item on the options list, don't do it. This will cost you more now, and when you go to sell the car, you probably won't recover the extra cost. If you care more about getting exactly the vehicle you want than you do about its future resale value, there's no problem. You just have to realize that your specific tastes might not be shared by the car-buying public a few years from now. Less popular options on a vehicle don't necessarily add to the resale value, and in most cases, actually decrease it. When people are looking to buy your car used, they are more interested in saving money than paying for your chrome wheels or technology package. Finally, once you've equipped your vehicle, use our affordability calculator to see if it is really within your means.
Plan ahead: If you plan carefully, your custom-ordered vehicle will arrive just as your old car is picked up by the leasing company or is being sold to its new owner. Few of us purchase a car on a whim or are forced to replace our current vehicle in a matter of days or weeks. Don't let a two-month wait for a custom-ordered car be your excuse. A little planning makes this aspect of custom-ordering your new car a non-issue.
Find the right dealer: When you custom-order a vehicle, your relationship with the dealer becomes critically important. This is the organization you'll be talking to throughout the process, which means it will take your initial order and if it is a good dealership, happily keep you updated on your car's progress as you wait for it to be built. Choose your dealership for a custom order just the way you would if you were simply buying a car off a lot: Read reviews and talk to friends who have bought there to ensure you're going to have a smooth experience.
Negotiate as if the car were on the lot: Just because you're ordering a vehicle doesn't mean that your ability to negotiate goes out the window. Check Edmunds.com's TMV® price, then call other dealers to see what they quote you. Keep this in mind: If the vehicle is in high demand, you may sometimes end up paying sticker price.
Make sure the deposit is refundable: Most dealers will require a deposit when ordering a vehicle. Make sure this deposit is refundable in case you change your mind or find the car somewhere else. Also note: Some dealers may elect to hold the deposit until the car is sold.
Get it in writing: Once you've talked numbers and decided on the options you want, be sure to get the details in writing. Make sure this document has the correct information and the price you agreed upon.

Looks like I can go after it and put a few dealers up against each other, nice

My brother did that when he custom ordered his CLA AMG - he actually wound up ordering it from a dealer in CA because the pricing wound up better that way. So yes, definitely possible and if nothing else opens up more options than just local.

It was actually pretty funny because the local dealer pretty much blew him off but they still had to take the delivery for the CA dealer.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - WRXtranceformed - 12-16-2015

Perfect thanks gentlemen. This might turn out to be easier negotiation actually, as it won't be inventory based but based on whoever wants my business badly enough.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - HAULN-SS - 12-16-2015

I'd collect salesman names and just CC them all on the same email spelling out your specs


Re: Automotive News Discussion - Evan - 12-17-2015

yeah, custom order you can actually get a better deal. They have zero overhead on the car, and they know that any other dealer can fulfil that order, eliminating the "you can take THIS one home today" sales pitch. Competition is always the best way to get the lowest price.
I custom ordered my WRX and paid almost $1k less than any other dealer was willing to go to.

and dont forget to factor in /include all fees


Re: Automotive News Discussion - Jake - 12-17-2015

Evan Wrote:and dont forget to factor in /include all fees

Oh yeah, good reminder.

I love the dealerships that are like "well this one is non-negotiable" in reference to some BS processing fee or something. Okay, fine, just take another $400 off the price some other way.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - WRXtranceformed - 12-17-2015

Good call on all of that! I would email / call each dealer directly but I wouldn't likely go the route Derek suggested just because it's kind of a dick thing to do. A large client did that to one of our reps and I thought it was stupid unprofessional (cc'd him and every other company rep offering similar service on the same email, asking for stuff for free for a big project they were working on in the guise that one of them might win the business). I love the negotiating process (my wife jokes that I have a smile on my face and she hates it and gets uncomfortable) but I also respect the sales person / manager's position until they give me a reason not to. Call it professional courtesy I guess :p


Re: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 12-17-2015

I don't see a problem with cc'ing them all on the initial email. At least they know you are price shopping. When I have people cc myself and our competitors on the same email I know that I need to be more aggressive right off the bat. Just gotta make sure you don't hit reply all and send the competition your quote! I have won a few jobs based on nothing more than the competitor being dumb enough to hit 'reply all'.


Re: Automotive News Discussion - WRXtranceformed - 12-17-2015

JPolen01 Wrote:I don't see a problem with cc'ing them all on the initial email. At least they know you are price shopping. When I have people cc myself and our competitors on the same email I know that I need to be more aggressive right off the bat. Just gotta make sure you don't hit reply all and send the competition your quote! I have won a few jobs based on nothing more than the competitor being dumb enough to hit 'reply all'.
Haha well played! My perspective is coming from the service / software based industry where things operate a little differently. I could maybe see where that approach is more acceptable in goods or commodities based selling.