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Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 08-12-2020
Biden could have picked a dog [emoji90] as his running mate and it would not have impacted my vote [emoji23]
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Senor_Taylor - 08-12-2020
(08-12-2020, 07:54 AM)ViPER1313 Wrote: Biden could have picked a dog [emoji90] as his running mate and it would not have impacted my vote [emoji23]Biden picks Trump as VP. Trump dumps pence and picks Biden as VP
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Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 08-12-2020
Right is already hard at work attempting to tear her apart.
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Kaan - 08-12-2020
this is what happens when you aren't the incumbent. as soon as you decide the knives come out... this is 100% typical in our political process.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Tyler.M - 08-12-2020
(08-12-2020, 08:21 AM)Kaan Wrote: this is what happens when you aren't the incumbent. as soon as you decide the knives come out... this is 100% typical in our political process.
Kamala was a good pick if the dems were worried about losing the "tough on crime" argument.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 08-12-2020
I'm glad the progressive wing got shut out, but I'm biased in that Seattle politics have been fairly corrupted by people claiming to be progressive while punitively punishing anyone who has the slightest difference of opinion. The Democratic establishment is very much alive and I ain't mad about it because the GOP is a fucking disaster. My guess is Kamala is the "safest" pick from a "what dirt can we dish on her from her past" and not much more than that. Then again, I thought the same thing about Biden as a VP and now he's got a decent chance of being President.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-18-2020
Oh fuck
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - BLINGMW - 09-19-2020
Should be an interesting distraction
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - IntegraJWill - 09-20-2020
IDK bout y'all but Kanye is looking mighty fine rn.
Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - JPolen01 - 09-20-2020
Kanye is a bumbling idiot that hasn't made good music since Graduation
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RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-21-2020
(09-20-2020, 09:50 PM)JPolen01 Wrote: Kanye is a bumbling idiot that hasn't made good music since Graduation
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MBDTF is awesome, you take that back.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Jake - 09-21-2020
Hearing Kanye attempt to be on the political stage makes me intentionally avoid his music. He's a nutjob on a lot of fronts.
Also, fuck McConnell for trying to push a new SCOTUS pick through with 40-some days til the election. Let's not forget what he said about Obama trying to confirm Merrick Garland 11 months(!!) before the 2016 election.
There's been a lot of Republican senators who made some bold claims in 2016, now's the time to hold their feet to the fire about this narrative.
Quote:2016, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas): “It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don’t do this in an election year.”
2018, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.): “If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump’s term, and the primary process has started, we’ll wait to the next election.”
2016, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.): “I don’t think we should be moving on a nominee in the last year of this president’s term - I would say that if it was a Republican president.”
2016, Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.): “The very balance of our nation’s highest court is in serious jeopardy. As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I will do everything in my power to encourage the president and Senate leadership not to start this process until we hear from the American people.”
2016, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa): “A lifetime appointment that could dramatically impact individual freedoms and change the direction of the court for at least a generation is too important to get bogged down in politics. The American people shouldn’t be denied a voice.”
2016, Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.): “The campaign is already under way. It is essential to the institution of the Senate and to the very health of our republic to not launch our nation into a partisan, divisive confirmation battle during the very same time the American people are casting their ballots to elect our next president.”
2016, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.): “In this election year, the American people will have an opportunity to have their say in the future direction of our country. For this reason, I believe the vacancy left open by Justice Antonin Scalia should not be filled until there is a new president.”
2016, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.): “The Senate should not confirm a new Supreme Court justice until we have a new president.”
2016, Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Col.): “I think we’re too close to the election. The president who is elected in November should be the one who makes this decision.”
2016, Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio): “I believe the best thing for the country is to trust the American people to weigh in on who should make a lifetime appointment that could reshape the Supreme Court for generations. This wouldn’t be unusual. It is common practice for the Senate to stop acting on lifetime appointments during the last year of a presidential term, and it’s been nearly 80 years since any president was permitted to immediately fill a vacancy that arose in a presidential election year.”
2016, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.): “I strongly agree that the American people should decide the future direction of the Supreme Court by their votes for president and the majority party in the U.S. Senate.”
And for those looking to donate money, don't bother with McConnell's opponent, Amy McGrath. She's not likely to win, sadly. But there are four or five other races in other states that are tight and could use some funds to more easily get some Republicans out of Senate seats.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - HAULN-SS - 09-21-2020
Every one of those people in the block quote had someone their opposite saying the president has an obligation to nominate now (2016). The reason it was fruitless back then and people could posture however they wanted is because the Republicans had a large majority in the senate and there was no way an Obama nomination was getting enough votes to confirm. Right now the senate has enough votes to confirm, and the confirmation period will be just shorter than Ginsburgs by election day, and plenty of time before inauguration day. For starters, I don't think Biden wins it anyhow, but the Democrats have already talking about packing the court and removing filibuster to do so. There's literally no incentive for Republicans to not go forward with it, even if it means they have to flip on their own words from a few years ago. Bidens campaign should release a list of judges and run the same script Trump did, which is largely what got him elected to start with. Whether they affirm a nominee now or in the lame duck(if there is one), this is all to the Trump advantage right now. Without a competing list of nominees, I don't think they can win on yelling about hypocrisy and procedure.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-21-2020
(09-21-2020, 10:23 AM)HAULN-SS Wrote: but the Democrats have already talking about packing the court and removing filibuster to do so. There's literally no incentive for Republicans to not go forward with it, even if it means they have to flip on their own words from a few years ago.
This is kind of my view as well.
In fact, HEAR ME OUT, I think that as a political strategy what the DNC *should* be doing is working with Trump to find a nominee that is "conservative, but not on the shit we actually care about," and push them through. Here's why:
1: It's probably gonna happen and there's really not much the DNC can do to stop it, so in the words of RJ "Come to the table or get nothing."
2: If certain hot-button, but ultimately nonstarter issues (you know the one I'm talking about) get "settled in court" from this nominee, then there is (IMHO) a large number of people "leaning trump" over those issues who are just gonna stay home. I know personally I can swallow a Uncle Joe Presidency (Or let's be real, a Harris presidency after midterms) knowing this idiotic bullshit fuckery will die with a stake in it's chest with a 6-3 Scotus decision:
Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.
3:It will project an image of "reaching across the aisle" and "working together with those whom we disagree" and "spirit of reconciliation and healing" kumbaya bullshit that the Biden/Harris campaign could use to reach the trump-leaners.
4: Threats of court-packing are NOT going to sit well with anyone who isn't a rabid leftist. it's not going to sit well with the COURT. I know it's an old school democrat threat (Dear FDR: I spit on your grave) but it's not going to be a popular threat. It FEELS like pre-revenge, and RBG could have retired at eighty fuckin' years old during Obama's term and been replaced with the most hyperliberal candidate in history, because the DNC had the votes to do it and instead she held on. That's not the GOP's fault, but the DNC is threatening them with the consequence.
Frankly, I don't really see a way this hurts Trump. The GOP is gonna say "We have a constitutional mandate to do this, so we're gonna do it" and there's not a single person alive who was going to vote for Trump that's gonna say "Oh the president doing a job that's outlined in the constitution for him to do? THAT'S THE LAST STRAW."
Also, before you're too hard on Cocaine Mitch...you're doing exactly what the GOP wants you to do. The SML and Speaker serve at the pleasure of their parties and they serve to do one job: Take this exact kind of shit on the chin. They aren't elected by the people, they're appointed by the party so everything Pelosi and McConnell say and do is in fact exactly what the Party will it to be. The man's doing his job, and the minute he stops doing his job (or Pelosi for same) is the same minute he doesn't have it, and is replaced by someone who will. That's politics, and it's ugly, but it's what it is.
I'm still not going to vote for Trump, I'll be voting my conscience as always, but if anything this whole debacle has just further entrenched me in the idea that the federal government has too much influence over our daily lives. If a single SCOTUS justice can "ruin lives", and entire livelihoods and safety hinge on a single person...well we don't have a very free, very fault tolerant government now do we? So if you're mad about it, start advocating for smaller, less, and free.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 09-21-2020
(09-21-2020, 11:07 AM)CaptainHenreh Wrote: federal government has too much influence over our daily lives
Over the last year, I've come to the stark conclusion it's way, way lower than I actually thought. Or, at least, way lower under a Republican and/or Trump.
I like the job our D governor is doing, but I loathe the job our progressive city council is doing. If I stopped reading the news, I probably wouldn't even know what the feds are doing these days. That's a really interesting flip, as I never, ever paid attention to local politics before a few years ago and I thought a governor was largely useless before COVID.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Kaan - 09-21-2020
Trumps appointees to the court havent been as conservative as conservative want (but you wouldnt know that through how they get treated) with their votes... true non partisanship (as the court was intended) in the modern age is not possible, but God forbid the D and R work together on this, we might get some. I think it would be an important olive branch of unity ... that isnt going to happen because there is legit hate for each side. but we NEED it...
BECAUSE the court could come into play with the election, 2000 style. you know since both sides are ready to challenge any result.
on a side note... the amount of "oh we arent going to take on that case" responses from the court lately has been super weird.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 09-21-2020
(09-21-2020, 11:59 AM)Apoc Wrote:(09-21-2020, 11:07 AM)CaptainHenreh Wrote: federal government has too much influence over our daily lives
Or, at least, way lower under a Republican and/or Trump.
Your personal experience aside, my point was merely that:
If one single person could mean ZOMG THE END OF THE REPUBLIC then either
A: That's, ah, "Sarcasm and Hyperbole" and people should fuckin' chill OR
B: The federal government has way too much power and too little fault tolerance.
I'm not really talking about folks in this thread, who so far are levelheaded and thoughtful about the thing, but like, OpEds in NYT or Wapo or whatever. Or God Help Me the hellscape that is twitter... you'd think a nuke went off.
I much prefer having decentralized power, I'm far more likely to have an influence with my neighbors and county board of supervisors than I am with, you know, the Senate so I'd much rather have the decisions that impact me* be more local, and the decisions that have more general impact (like, say, Defense) be handled "upstream".
(This is of course excluding civil rights which absolutely should be universal and applied from sea to shining sea, you can find a non-comprehensive list in the Amendments to the constitution 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, 15, 19, 21, & 24)
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 09-21-2020
Well, I had a decently sized post where I said the feds are a pendulum that swings every 10-20 years and that's why in the long run none of this BS really matters.... but the forum ate it. I also said social media and media echo chambers are the fucking hyperbole devil. The end of the republic is apparently happening every third or fourth day, except not really. I'm at the point where I enjoy reading people on both sides freak out because it's just all sooo... triggery.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - .RJ - 09-22-2020
(09-21-2020, 12:48 PM)Apoc Wrote: The end of the republic is apparently happening every third or fourth day, except not really. I'm at the point where I enjoy reading people on both sides freak out because it's just all sooo... triggery.
Well, that's the problem. Every day I read in the news about some portion of our democracy, our institutions or our traditions being eroded by the Trump admin - at what point have things gone too far? Is there a tipping point that is unrecoverable, both for our own gov't or for our international relationships? If so, where? Does it end in an election that isnt viewed as legitimate with a peaceful transition of power? I'm pretty certain the boogaloo patriots with their pocket constitutions wont be storming the streets then because it was never about gun rights.
I'm not even talking about things like shitty economic bills or national health/pandemic response issues - those are policy issues that people will always disagree about.
RE: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 09-22-2020
(09-22-2020, 01:46 PM).RJ Wrote:(09-21-2020, 12:48 PM)Apoc Wrote: The end of the republic is apparently happening every third or fourth day, except not really. I'm at the point where I enjoy reading people on both sides freak out because it's just all sooo... triggery.
Well, that's the problem. Every day I read in the news about some portion of our democracy, our institutions or our traditions being eroded by the Trump admin - at what point have things gone too far? Is there a tipping point that is unrecoverable, both for our own gov't or for our international relationships? If so, where? Does it end in an election that isnt viewed as legitimate with a peaceful transition of power? I'm pretty certain the boogaloo patriots with their pocket constitutions wont be storming the streets then because it was never about gun rights.
I'm not even talking about things like shitty economic bills or national health/pandemic response issues - those are policy issues that people will always disagree about.
I used to think the point of no return was close, but I don't anymore. I credit watching Ken Burns's 17 hour special on the Vietnam War twice with that changing perspective. Nearly everything Trump has done that I don't agree with can be undone by the next guy/gal. The one exception might be international relations, which were at an all-time high with Obama. That tells me we can probably get there again. Will there be consequences of his presidency? Certainly. Will the pendulum swing the other way in the next 5-10 years? I think there's a good chance. The bigger problem for me is what it's always been - I don't particularly like either parties' modern incarnation.