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Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Jeff - 01-17-2011

Thanks for the pic scott. I like that look. He has some sort of custom axle or at least brakes on the back. These cars never came with disc rears. I want to do a modern Dana 60 at some point but I have to much money going around on it right now to do that before wheels. I will measure the wheels I have from the mustang to try to get an idea of what that was. Other then sitting back in to far I thought they were a good width. Can someone explain offset and backspacing to me? I'm sure I can google search it but I figure it might make for some interesting conversation to have someone school me on it.

As for goodspeed... the point of the gray wheel is this. See the color of this grille? That gray color on those wheels almost matched the gray that will be on the grille and tail panel of the car.

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Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - JustinG - 01-17-2011

Offset..the distance the hub mounting surface is to the centerline of the wheel.

+ closer to the outside
- closer to the inside

Backspacing..the distance from the wheel mounting surface to the inner lip of the wheel

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To get the look, and push the wheel out further to the fender you'll need a wheel with a negative offset like -30 or something or a lower - offset with some 5-10mm spacers.

For instance, on the gsx it came with 17x7/7.5 don't remember with a like +35 offset or something.

Since I don't have alot of fender to push out the wheel into I had to push the tire closer to the inside, so + offset.

17x8 are +35mm and sit close to flush with the outside of the fender with room. 17x9 w/ +38 mm sit flush with the fender and give me the max wheel I can fit, with like 2mm of space before it hits the suspension

Your car is basically the opposite from what I can tell.
Very little room on the inside of the wheel well, and a crap ton of room under the fender










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Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Goodspeed - 01-18-2011

Jeff Wrote:As for goodspeed... the point of the gray wheel is this. See the color of this grille? That gray color on those wheels almost matched the gray that will be on the grille and tail panel of the car.

Ah...that will look pretty damn good then. Carry on Smile

white97dsm Wrote:Your car is basically the opposite from what I can tell.
Very little room on the inside of the wheel well, and a crap ton of room under the fender

Yeah, I mean, with the proper math done, I don't see why you couldn't just fill that gap given to you by the body. I know you're limited on budget for wheels and to do that sometimes takes custom wheels, but you could fit a family of four up in there.

Sort of OT, but I never understood how engineers from before 1985 didn't get the whole big/long/heavy/wide car Ôëá 195mm tires. I'm sure they rode great but the handling test videos from the era are just deplorable. Explain that to me :lol:

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - ViPER1313 - 01-18-2011

Goodspeed Wrote:Sort of OT, but I never understood how engineers from before 1985 didn't get the whole big/long/heavy/wide car Ôëá 195mm tires. I'm sure they rode great but the handling test videos from the era are just deplorable. Explain that to me :lol:

Higher sidewall tires can hold a lot more of a load than low-profile tires... and I am sure that 1985 tire tech was not what it is today. Wider tires are a lot harder to manufacture than skinny ones. I'm also sure tire costs played into the equation. So manufacturers used narrow skinny tires because they were cheaper and could handle the heavy loads placed on them.

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Jeff - 01-22-2011

Guy at my local speed shop tells me he will order in 1 rim for me so I can check things out and if I don't want it he will only charge $12 to ship it back. So I am going to try 9in with a 00mm offset and a 4.5in back spacing. I think I will have some inside rubbing up front but nothing on the fenders. My father wants high dollar tires on it so it sounds like we are getting Pilot Sports...I will need to see that to believe it.

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Jeff - 01-24-2011

Installed a Viper 211hp Keyless entry system and power door lock actuators this weekend. Was pretty easy and a great mod for an older car without power stuff. Got a date for a local shop to install the headliner so I have until Feb 16 to get it driveable or pay to have it towed!

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Ryan T - 01-24-2011

Tow it with the Dakota.

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Jeff - 01-25-2011

That would be easy if I had a trailer large enough. I have a friend with a diesel and a proper trailer that has agreed to haul it.

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Goodspeed - 01-26-2011

Humminah.

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And those are 16x7

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Jeff - 01-26-2011

What is the tire size? Sauce plox.

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Goodspeed - 01-27-2011

Jeff Wrote:What is the tire size? Sauce plox.

The car belongs to the editor in chief of Edmunds - shoot him an email.

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2011/01/karl-on-cars-big-3-representation----coolest-mopar.html

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - fiveoh2go - 01-27-2011

Goodspeed Wrote:
Jeff Wrote:What is the tire size? Sauce plox.

The car belongs to the editor in chief of Edmunds - shoot him an email.

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2011/01/karl-on-cars-big-3-representation----coolest-mopar.html

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Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Jake - 01-27-2011

I call the one in the middle.

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - CaptainHenreh - 01-27-2011

I'll take the one on the right.

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - WRXtranceformed - 01-27-2011

Jake Wrote:I call the one in the middle.
Shotgun!

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - JustinG - 01-27-2011

Quote:A limited run Viper? A 1950s Chrysler 300? A new Challenger 392? One of the 1980s Shelby Dodges? (just kidding on that last one)

Im pretty sure Jeff cried a little

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - caa337 - 01-27-2011

I'd take the ford GT then sell it.

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - fiveoh2go - 01-27-2011

caa337 Wrote:I'd take the ford GT then sell it.

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Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Jake - 01-28-2011

caa337 Wrote:I'd take the ford GT then sell it.

I'd take the Ford GT and DD the shit out of it.

Re: MM Muscle - 1971 Dodge Challenger Coupe - Jeff - 01-28-2011

GTFO of my thread.