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- JackoliciousLegs - 07-20-2004
.RJ Wrote:After the 9/11 attacks, it became very important to stabilize the region and send a message that we arent taking any more shit from them.The region? them? lol...
- Feersty - 07-20-2004
Bush did not know about the attacks that were to take place on 11 September. As mentioned earlier by Evan the planning had started during the Clinton administration.
- Ryan T - 07-20-2004
All you guys would have a ball tearing apart this movie called, "The road to tyranny." Its an extremist view on the whole situation. I watched part of it and then turned it off. NO I don't support what the movie is saying, but if you want to see what a real extremist thinks, check it out.
- JackoliciousLegs - 07-21-2004
Feersty Wrote:Bush did not know about the attacks that were to take place on 11 SeptemberHave you ever read the news?
9/11 com: Do you remember the title of the report just prior to 9/11?
C. Rice: "I believe it was called, 'Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S.'"
- Sijray21 - 07-21-2004
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:Feersty Wrote:Bush did not know about the attacks that were to take place on 11 SeptemberHave you ever read the news?
9/11 com: Do you remember the title of the report just prior to 9/11?
C. Rice: "I believe it was called, 'Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S.'"
yeah i was a little shocked when she said that....i think i remember slightly choking on my cereal.
- Kaan - 07-21-2004
the problem is... they didnt ask how many times has a report like that been rolled across a presidents desk. at some level someone has known that the first attack on the world trade would happen, that the us cole was gong to happen... and 9/11. there are so many "serious" actions that are planned against the united states. hopefully with new intel plans and protical they'll be able to understand which ones will actually be carried out.
- Evan - 07-21-2004
Clinton had the same report several times, his closest aides have publicly said that many times. Clinton responded by slashing intelligence budgets and failing to take out Bin Laden when he knew exactly where Bin Laden was.
Bush getting a report that says "Bin Laden is a dangerous guy" is absolutely worthless except in retrospect for liberals trying to throw mud at Bush.
- G.Irish - 07-21-2004
Seriously, even Oliver North said Bin Laden was going to try to attack us, big deal.
- Evan - 07-28-2004
Did anyone catch the Moore interview with O'Reilley last night?
He really made Moore look like a fool.
- JackoliciousLegs - 07-28-2004
all it comes down to is a diferent view of the world. The more people travel, the less americentrists we'll have. I read an exerpt from the show, and I wasn't impressed with either sides arguments. Both are intelligent men... they just share different viewpoints.
There was also criticism of Teresa Kerry's comment telling the reporter to shove it. Republicans seem to have forgotten when Bush called the reporter "a first rate asshole" on TV.
- Sijray21 - 07-28-2004
Evan Wrote:Did anyone catch the Moore interview with O'Reilley last night?
He really made Moore look like a fool.
wish i saw it...
on the side of the press, who likes them?
- Feersty - 07-28-2004
I hate Michael Moore, that liberal bastard.
He asked O'Reilly:
"...would you send your child to Falluajah?"
O'Reilly couldn't answer him. O'Reilly said:
"....I would go."
Then Moore tried to catch him saying:
"...but you wouldn't mind sending someone else's child?"
O'Reilly was like: "Uhhhh."
He definitely got O'Reilly in a tough spot.
- Evan - 07-28-2004
...except Moore doesnt seem to realize no one sends their children off to the war or to military. We have no draft, all of our forces make their own decision to join the military, and all know the unfortunate risks.
O'reilley really nailed Moore when he presented all of the official intelligence reports from British intelligence, CIA, even Russian Intelligence that Iraq did in fact have WMD, and all Moore could do was parrot "he lied...he didnt tell the truth."
If O'reilley wanted to really slam him, he could have brought up the blatant lies in Moore's movie, such as his "No Congressmen have children in iraq" statement.
- G.Irish - 07-28-2004
The thing with Moore is he is not quite intelligent enough (nor does he have the desire even if he was intelligent) to present and informed, fair, and reasonable discourse on the issues. He and many like him can only bash Bush and not really deal with anything in a pragmatic matter. The result is trite rhetoric.
Hopefully the commercial success of his movies will spur intellectually honest and unbiased (or at least less biased) people to make political movies of substance.
- JackoliciousLegs - 07-29-2004
Evan Wrote:no one sends their children off to the warCongress does when the vote to allow bush to attack iraq.
Feersty Wrote:He definitely got O'Reilly in a tough spot.That was his plan.
Feersty Wrote:I hate Michael Moore, that liberal bastard.Don't call people "liberals bastards." It's unecessary. I'll leave it at that.
- .RJ - 07-29-2004
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:Congress does when the vote to allow bush to attack iraq.
When you sign up for military service (voluntarily, as our entire millitary is) you should expect that you may have to kill people and die for your country.
They offer a great deal - paying for education, travel, etc - but its not all fun and games. War sucks, but they signed up on their own.
- JackoliciousLegs - 07-29-2004
I understand it's mostly voluntary (some people have no choice)... he still sent them to war for a cause that i believe was unjustified.
- .RJ - 07-29-2004
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:I understand it's mostly voluntary (some people have no choice)... he still sent them to war for a cause that i believe was unjustified.
No choice? C'mon, thats complete horseshit and you know it.
Bush may have sent them to War, but its not like he dragged children out of their homes kicking and screaming, put an MP-5 in thier hands and said "now go kill some Iraqis!" with a bulls-eye painted on their helmet.
They signed up for millitary service and that includes defending your country, killing people or not. Its not just ROTC and a cushy desk job.
- G.Irish - 07-29-2004
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:I understand it's mostly voluntary (some people have no choice)... he still sent them to war for a cause that i believe was unjustified.
What do you mean mostly voluntary? There is not one person in the United States military who is not there by choice. When you join if you don't understand that you may have to go to war for a cause you don't necessarily agree with, tough shit, you shouldn't have joined. That's part of the reason I didn't join.
- .RJ - 07-29-2004
I wanted to go into ROTC after school - but my (refrain from liberal commentary) parents were hard up against it and said that I would be cut off and on my own if I went that route.
Hard to join if I cant pay for the first 2 years of school.