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- D_Eclipse9916 - 09-02-2008
HAULN-SS Wrote:Didn't think so.
Just a question, have you ever been outside of the United States? and im not talking about business trips or vacation trips to the bahamas or mexico.
- JackoliciousLegs - 09-03-2008
I hope not.
- Ole - 09-03-2008
Can you guys disagree without the name calling?
- Kaan - 09-03-2008
What combats terrorism? Can someone tell me? please?
- Mike - 09-03-2008
Kaan Wrote:What combats terrorism? Can someone tell me? please?
not what we're doing.
- G.Irish - 09-03-2008
Kaan Wrote:What combats terrorism? Can someone tell me? please?1. Undermine support for their cause in the communities they live in. The common people don't want to be blown up either so you make sure the common people are on your side by attacking terrorists/insurgents but keeping collateral damage low. Help their communities and they're more likely to help you. Use locals to help you take out terrorists.
If you remove popular support for those who would use terror then it makes it difficult for them to recruit, and difficult for them to survive. Dropping cluster bombs in populated errors is an example of how NOT to do this.
2. Freeze their financial assets. We've largely done this.
3. Do not add fuel to the fire of the causes they rally around. Many in the Islamic world feel that the United States unfairly supports their common enemy in Israel. Not saying we shouldn't ally with Israel but we shouldn't support the Israelis when they're wrong. We also shouldn't endorse a double standard with Israel and the rest of the Middle East.
Another major cause radicals use is that the West is invading their holy lands. Thus, don't unnecessarily step on their toes or invade their lands. In the case of Afghanistan they housed the Taliban that supports, finances, and trains Al Qaeda. We have a legitimate cause for being there. In Iraq none of the reasons we gave for invading were true and if you were Arab it is just further proof of the West's desire to subjugate the Middle East and steal their oil.
4. Use unconventional forces to capture and kill terrorists where it will hurt them most. Instead of pulling Special Forces off Afghanistan to fight in Iraq they should have been allowed to stay and cut off the head of the snake.
5. Maintain credibility in the international community. The current terrorism problem spans across many countries so we are going to need other countries' help to combat them. Antagonizing our allies and lying to make our case undermines our credibility and makes it less likely other countries will work with us to help us attack terrorists. In Gulf War I we had a strong coalition of allies to help us do the job. This time around we had token participation from our allies because they simply didn't believe us.
6. Use our human intelligence to infiltrate and disrupt terrorist cells. That is what the CIA is for. Human intelligence also means we need more linguists on the ground so that deployed units can gather and act on intel better.
7. Clean up the criminal intelligence failures in our stateside organizations. There were whistleblowers about several red flags we had before 9/11 in the FBI that might have averted the attack had the agency done their job.
This also means untangling the silly no-fly lists that are all but useless because they are used so poorly. Stop wasting resources on security theater.
- Ole - 09-03-2008
Kaan Wrote:What combats terrorism? Can someone tell me? please?
Chuck Norris!
- Apoc - 09-03-2008
Kaan Wrote:What combats terrorism? Can someone tell me? please?
No one ever got attacked for minding their own business.
Ole Wrote:Can you guys disagree without the name calling?
We try really, really hard but Deersty makes us do crazy things with his silly words.
- Maengelito - 09-03-2008
Apoc Wrote:Kaan Wrote:What combats terrorism? Can someone tell me? please?
No one ever got attacked for minding their own business.
I can't tell if this is one of your sarcastic emails or not.
- BLINGMW - 09-03-2008
G.Irish Wrote:As a matter of fact, maybe the only reason I was president of MM is because I was black!
well it was either between you or the older white guy. :dunno:
- HAULN-SS - 09-03-2008
Man, I was going to poll whether you prefer her with glasses, or without, but the only no-glasses picture I could find from her was from the 80s and she looks terrible. Anyone got one? (and yes, I have been out of the country, but that's basically irrelevant, oh mighty international affairs experts)
- Apoc - 09-03-2008
She wears too much makeup.
- Kaan - 09-03-2008
Apoc Wrote:Kaan Wrote:What combats terrorism? Can someone tell me? please?
No one ever got attacked for minding their own business.
Ole Wrote:Can you guys disagree without the name calling?
We try really, really hard but Deersty makes us do crazy things with his silly words.
other than existing ... why were we attacked on 9/11?
Special Forces are still in Afganistan. Human intelegance is going to be limited in that area since the other side uses the threat of death to you and your family.
"Undermine support for their cause in the communities they live in. The common people don't want to be blown up either so you make sure the common people are on your side by attacking terrorists/insurgents but keeping collateral damage low. Help their communities and they're more likely to help you. Use locals to help you take out terrorists."
that is basically impossible to due in that part of the world... especially by the US. The common people wanted to be free, but they want to take no risk... just incase the freedom doesnt last long. Its historical... the same shit happened in that area for hundreds of years.
The issue with Israel started in WW1. When the allies broke up the young turkish republic and created the hostile region. welcome to shit we shouldnt have done decades ago. we are kind of stuck with it now. and we cant really go back on it or we lose ALL footholds in the region.
"4. Use unconventional forces to capture and kill terrorists where it will hurt them most. Instead of pulling Special Forces off Afghanistan to fight in Iraq they should have been allowed to stay and cut off the head of the snake."
Unfortunately, even our special forces have their hands tied due to "morality." We wanted to be straight forward and upright and took a stance of not assasinating people. we still dont do that today... or Sadam would have had his hole filled with concrete or something.
"6. Use our human intelligence to infiltrate and disrupt terrorist cells. That is what the CIA is for. Human intelligence also means we need more linguists on the ground so that deployed units can gather and act on intel better. "
you can thank the Clintons for destroying the funding our intelligence community needed to keep this up. its not cheap and not easy. there are suggestions that if they didnt cut the budgets in the places they did, we could have known exact dates, times, and flight numbers for 9-11.
"7. Clean up the criminal intelligence failures in our stateside organizations. There were whistleblowers about several red flags we had before 9/11 in the FBI that might have averted the attack had the agency done their job. "
the biggest issue was they didnt know specifics. thats not going to magically be created by communication between offices... it happens by putting more agents in the field and not having to pull agents from their current duties because working covertly costs too much!
- Kaan - 09-03-2008
Mike Wrote:Kaan Wrote:What combats terrorism? Can someone tell me? please?
not what we're doing.
tell me what will work? tell me how many attacks we have had on our soil since the war started? If anything it keeps the mainland safe because they are running... because they are diverting their resources to not lose an area of the world that benefits them. would they just be in Iraq because they can? because its not important to them?
- .RJ - 09-03-2008
Kaan Wrote:tell me how many attacks we have had on our soil since the war started?
How many did we have before 9/11? I think you had to go back to Pancho Villa...
I really hate the argument. Its assinine.
- Kaan - 09-03-2008
they tried to hit the towers before
remember the moving truck bomb in the basement?
- Apoc - 09-03-2008
Kaan Wrote:other than existing ... why were we attacked on 9/11?
US presence in Saudi Arabia and our support of Israel in it's "injustices" against muslims.
ÔÇ£Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands,ÔÇØ bin Laden said. ÔÇ£Any state that does not mess with our security has naturally guaranteed its own security.ÔÇØ Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.
Our foreign policy is the reason people died. Nothing else.
- Apoc - 09-03-2008
Kaan Wrote:they tried to hit the towers before
...and that lasted what, 10 years without a large scale war? Seems like it may be too early to call this one a success. :wink:
- Mike - 09-03-2008
Kaan Wrote:Mike Wrote:Kaan Wrote:What combats terrorism? Can someone tell me? please?
not what we're doing.
tell me what will work?
i don't know and don't claim to. i do know, however, that what we're currently doing is perhaps the absolute worst solution of them all.
Kaan Wrote:tell me how many attacks we have had on our soil since the war started?
how many attacks did we have before? not many... and the whole "none in 7 years" thing... there hadn't been any for 8 years until 9/11... it's not like such attacks were happening every day.
Kaan Wrote:would they just be in Iraq because they can? because its not important to them?
"they" weren't even in iraq. "they" aren't in iraq. "turrists" were just an excuse to finish old business in iraq... is that still not clear to some? the folks in iraq who are fighting us now? you come in to my country, disrespect/kill my famiry, i'm gonna fucking shoot at you. i don't care who you are, why you're here, who is wrong or right... this is my home, you barged in, you get shot. i'm going to hate you forever, i'm going to teach my children to hate you forever... and you know what? my son will likely grow up just to strap an f'ing bomb to himself to get back at you.
if a family member of mine is killed by a "turrist," you know who i'm going to hate and blame? hint: not the "turrists."
- Jeff - 09-03-2008
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