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RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - Jake - 07-23-2019
So this exposes a problem that was only recently rectified. Tow ratings on trucks have never been "standardized" - it's been up to the manufacturer to just say what they feel is adequate and then people buy/use their trucks, exposing the weaknesses as you did, Ryan.
The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) came up with a standardized test and Toyota was the first to adopt it in 2013. Ford adopted it for the 2015 F-150 redesign, so your 2013 has the yolo rating.
Jalopnik wrote a good summary of how the SAE test is modeled: https://jalopnik.com/what-is-sae-j2807-what-does-it-mean-for-trucks-1593305929
So yeah, pre-2015 F-150s are rated to pull whatever weight, but not necessarily at 80% throttle with the AC cranked going up a mountain pass for 10 miles in 110° heat over and over and over for 4 hours. Slowing down a little is the easiest way to fix the issue.
70ish mph is fine for towing, assuming your tires are properly inflated and rated for the speed.
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - rherold9 - 07-23-2019
(07-23-2019, 10:25 AM)Jake Wrote: So this exposes a problem that was only recently rectified. Tow ratings on trucks have never been "standardized" - it's been up to the manufacturer to just say what they feel is adequate and then people buy/use their trucks, exposing the weaknesses as you did, Ryan.
The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) came up with a standardized test and Toyota was the first to adopt it in 2013. Ford adopted it for the 2015 F-150 redesign, so your 2013 has the yolo rating.
Jalopnik wrote a good summary of how the SAE test is modeled: https://jalopnik.com/what-is-sae-j2807-what-does-it-mean-for-trucks-1593305929
So yeah, pre-2015 F-150s are rated to pull whatever weight, but not necessarily at 80% throttle with the AC cranked going up a mountain pass for 10 miles in 110° heat over and over and over for 4 hours. Slowing down a little is the easiest way to fix the issue.
70ish mph is fine for towing, assuming your tires are properly inflated and rated for the speed.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1507654-2017-ecoboost-overheats-when-towing.html
Looks like the same issue with their new trucks too. Good job Ford!
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - Kaan - 07-23-2019
full race time!
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - V1GiLaNtE - 07-23-2019
(07-23-2019, 07:58 AM)Kaan Wrote:(07-22-2019, 03:40 PM)JustinG Wrote: Upgrade rad and intercooler, problem solved.
finally someone in MM ... besides me... encouraging the slippery slope. some of ya'll are getting old.
You just force yourself into the slippery slope because you're always breaking shit!
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - Kaan - 07-23-2019
(07-23-2019, 04:04 PM)V1GiLaNtE Wrote:(07-23-2019, 07:58 AM)Kaan Wrote:(07-22-2019, 03:40 PM)JustinG Wrote: Upgrade rad and intercooler, problem solved.
finally someone in MM ... besides me... encouraging the slippery slope. some of ya'll are getting old.
You just force yourself into the slippery slope because you're always breaking shit!
lets see how slippery it gets when its ecoboost head gasket time!
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - Scott - 07-24-2019
(07-22-2019, 03:55 PM)rherold9 Wrote: What is fast for towing? 65? 70? 75? (Speed limit was 70). I was doing 75. I don't ever go above 75 consistently. Usually do 5 over the limit max. 65 I do 70. Truck feels fine and stable haha
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With a trailer, you shouldn't be going over 60 mph period. Tires and bearing aren't made for sustained speed above that (at least according to Phil from Phil's tire when I started trailering and was looking for advice). Your truck was trying to give you a hint.
btw, the NC looks awesome.
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - rherold9 - 07-24-2019
(07-24-2019, 02:33 PM)Scott Wrote:(07-22-2019, 03:55 PM)rherold9 Wrote: What is fast for towing? 65? 70? 75? (Speed limit was 70). I was doing 75. I don't ever go above 75 consistently. Usually do 5 over the limit max. 65 I do 70. Truck feels fine and stable haha
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With a trailer, you shouldn't be going over 60 mph period. Tires and bearing aren't made for sustained speed above that (at least according to Phil from Phil's tire when I started trailering and was looking for advice). Your truck was trying to give you a hint.
So, when the radial trailer tires say on the sidewall max mph 81 that's not correct?
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - Scott - 07-25-2019
(07-24-2019, 04:39 PM)rherold9 Wrote:(07-24-2019, 02:33 PM)Scott Wrote:(07-22-2019, 03:55 PM)rherold9 Wrote: What is fast for towing? 65? 70? 75? (Speed limit was 70). I was doing 75. I don't ever go above 75 consistently. Usually do 5 over the limit max. 65 I do 70. Truck feels fine and stable haha
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With a trailer, you shouldn't be going over 60 mph period. Tires and bearing aren't made for sustained speed above that (at least according to Phil from Phil's tire when I started trailering and was looking for advice). Your truck was trying to give you a hint.
So, when the radial trailer tires say on the sidewall max mph 81 that's not correct?
That's top speed, not sustained. Again, just repeating what was told to me by someone who does it for a living.
Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - JPolen01 - 07-25-2019
Tires and bearings aren't the only thing to think about. How about all the extra weight you're pulling when it comes to stopping? I would assume an extra mph adds quite a bit of stopping distance.
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - rherold9 - 07-25-2019
(07-25-2019, 08:36 AM)JPolen01 Wrote: Tires and bearings aren't the only thing to think about. How about all the extra weight you're pulling when it comes to stopping? I would assume an extra mph adds quite a bit of stopping distance.You use other cars to stop for this occurrence
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RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - Kaan - 07-25-2019
well I'm hosed... me, the metric mule, and the open car trailer roll over afton mountain at +60mph... to and from the dyno from all the engine issues this spring 80mph. My Chinese trailer tires and neglected bearings are still doing pretty well.
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - Apoc - 07-25-2019
If Kaan does it, then you know it'll lead to something breaking. That should be all the evidence you need not to.
RE: Should've kept the diesel - 2014 Ecoboost - Jake - 07-25-2019
(07-24-2019, 02:33 PM)Scott Wrote:(07-22-2019, 03:55 PM)rherold9 Wrote: What is fast for towing? 65? 70? 75? (Speed limit was 70). I was doing 75. I don't ever go above 75 consistently. Usually do 5 over the limit max. 65 I do 70. Truck feels fine and stable haha
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With a trailer, you shouldn't be going over 60 mph period. Tires and bearing aren't made for sustained speed above that (at least according to Phil from Phil's tire when I started trailering and was looking for advice). Your truck was trying to give you a hint.
btw, the NC looks awesome.
Anecdotal, but in 4.5 years of towing at 70 mph, I've had precisely zero issues. Keeping ahead of bearing/brake maintenance and checking tire pressure before setting off are two key factors to that.