Cars that get you all hot and bothered

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Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - fiveoh2go - 08-28-2009

Eh, not really a fan of the Iacocca car. A lot of the Mustang boards are going crazy over it, I don't understand it. To me it looks like a botched attempt to recreate the show car that came out in '04 which I never really cared for. :dunno:

Show car from '04 -
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2009 1/2 Iacocca Silver 45th Anniversary Edition -
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Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - JustinG - 08-28-2009

why does every car now have to have like 22s?

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - Steve85 - 08-28-2009

white97dsm Wrote:why does every car now have to have like 22s?

Chip Foose said so.

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - Goodspeed - 08-29-2009

I do miss (certain aspects of) it. I'd totally do it again but it'd have to be a facelift '89+ with a 1J, white or black.

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Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - JustinG - 08-29-2009

Goodspeed Wrote:I do miss (certain aspects of) it. I'd totally do it again but it'd have to be a facelift '89+ with a 1J, white or black.

Pretty sure I remember someone saying something like the following.....

Goodspeed Wrote:I dont wanna do a 1J, the boat anchor is just as proven.

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - fiveoh2go - 08-29-2009

white97dsm Wrote:
Goodspeed Wrote:I do miss (certain aspects of) it. I'd totally do it again but it'd have to be a facelift '89+ with a 1J, white or black.

Pretty sure I remember someone saying something like the following.....

Goodspeed Wrote:I dont wanna do a 1J, the boat anchor is just as proven.

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - ViPER1313 - 08-29-2009

Goodspeed Wrote:I do miss (certain aspects of) it. I'd totally do it again but it'd have to be a facelift '89+ with a 1J, white or black.

Already getting tired of old ladies in Camry's cutting you off and out-accelerating you at every stoplight? I figured you would last longer than a month.

SHO Powered / Supercharged dune buggy:
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Hot SHO engine bay:

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Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - Goodspeed - 08-29-2009

ViPER1313 Wrote:Already getting tired of old ladies in Camry's cutting you off and out-accelerating you at every stoplight? I figured you would last longer than a month.

Not at all. I'd never sell the Miata for a MKIII or go back to a MKIII as my only car; I'd add one in addition to the otter....maybe. Besides the "first car honeymoon" I had with the Supra in the months after buying it I wasn't nearly as happy as I am with the Miata. You're allowed to like a car after you sell it....

white97dsm Wrote:Pretty sure I remember someone saying something like the following.....

Goodspeed Wrote:I dont wanna do a 1J, the boat anchor is just as proven.

Yes...they are both just as proven...which is why I'd try something different if I were to do it again :dunno:

A built-auto single'd 1J in a black/white on charcoal leather '91 or '92 would be sex*.

*A MKIV will always be more better in my book, which is why I won't get another MKIII.

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - WRXtranceformed - 08-30-2009

Would definitely pick one of these up, sans racing stripe.

First Drive: Rossion Q1 is a supercar for the slightly rich
by Jonny Lieberman

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"How fast can you take it?" I ask Craig Spuhler, Rossion's technical engineer and my passenger at this particular moment in time. "About 75 mph with an 85 mph exit speed." I was behind the wheel of a Rossion Q1 winding my way up a 270-degree decreasing radius on-ramp that shoots straight onto Florida's I-95. As Spuhler has put more miles on Rossions than anyone else alive, and I'd been in the car all of 15 minutes, I decided that 65 mph was a nice, sane, journalist-safe speed. Even in fourth gear there was enough twin-turbo'd torque to get me to 80 mph by the end of the ramp. Truth is, I could've done the deed at 75 mph in third, if not much, much faster.

Rossion recently relocated from Ohio to Pompano Beach, FL and invited us to spend the weekend with 'em, flogging their brand-new Q1, thus far their only product. It's hard to talk about the Rossie (pronounced in the Johannesburg accents of owners Dean Rosen and Ian Grunes as "Raw-Zee") without discussing the 2,400-pound Gorilla in the room, the Noble M12 (and to some degree, the more track focused M400). The two cars are very closely related and both come from the Hi Tech Automotive assembly line in Port Elizabeth, South Africa.

Other similarities include the mild-steel space frame, integral four-point roll cage, Getrag six-speed with Quaife LSD, mid-mounted traverse 3.0-liter Ford Duratec V6 fitted with twin-turbochargers and a G.R.P. (a.k.a. fiberglass) body. And that's largely where the similarities stop. The Q1 gets its own optimized Koni dampers, H&R springs, unique sway bars and rear unequal length control arms, though the two cars do share a double wishbone design up front.

Externally, the differences are quite apparent. Whereas the Noble M400 (Rossion happened to have one in the shop for comparison's sake) resembles a caricature of a kit car with its garish, tacked on scoops reminiscent of those found on the original California Special Mustangs and panel gaps you can stick your thumb between, the Q1's a totally different ÔÇô and altogether more refined ÔÇô story. Not only do all the body panels look as if they were designed by the same person at the same time, but gap tolerances have been tightened up to less than 5 mm. We found the car quite handsome, though its 96-inch wheelbase makes it look small.

Inside, the two cars are night and day. Rossion has fitted, snug-but-comfy leather-coated, four-way adjustable carbon fiber seats. Not only are they light, but they look sharp. They've also covered up the standard roll bars with Alcantara padding. The rest of the innards are covered by leather and/or aluminum. Cases in points, the pedals are aluminum while the Momo steering wheel is leather wrapped. Those of you with big feet might find the pedal box a bit cramped (size 13 over here), but the pedals do adjust side-to-side. Best of all, as our late August South Floridian weather proved, the air-conditioning blows cold. All in all, a surprisingly pleasant place to be.

Especially on the road. Knowing what we knew about Nobles going in, we rightly assumed the Q1 would be quite quick and handle extremely well. But we didn't expect the ride to be cushy. However, since the steel space frame and roll cage already render the car diamond stiff, Rossion has been able to keep the damping and spring rates out of the spine-smashing range. The Q1 offers a much smoother ride, for instance, than track-focused machines like the Mazda RX-8 R3 or Lotus Elise/Exige. On Florida's smooth concrete roads it was especially subtle. Comfortable, even.

But you're not here to talk about how shockingly pleasant we found the Rossion Q1. You want to know how it drives when pushed. Exceedingly fantastic, we're happy to report. The aforementioned 3.0-liter V6 with twin-turbos produces a glorious 450 horsepower and 390 lb-ft of torque. Redline is 7,200 rpm (turbocharged engines don't need lofty revs) and peak torque occurs at 5,250 rpm. And the Q1 weighs 2,495 pounds, giving it a power-to-weight ratio of about 5.5 pounds per pony. For comparison's sake, a 997 GT2 has a power-to-weight of six pounds per horse.

Calling the Q1 quick is like calling water wet. It's more a question of how quick. Check out these (manufacturer claimed) numbers. 0-60 mph in 3.2 seconds, 0-100 mph in 7.5 seconds, the quarter-mile in 11.1 at about 120 mph and on to top speed of (probably) 185 mph. While the flat-out velocity may not play in the same league as today's supercars, every other number sure does. In fact, should those numbers hold up to scrutiny, the Q1 is one of the quickest production cars the world has ever seen, featuring a 0-60 mph time equal to the McLaren F1, Saleen S7 Twin-Turbo and the Koenigsegg CCX.

Does the seat of this journo's pants agree? We've been extremely spoiled in recent weeks, playing with such monsters as the Nissan GT-R and Lamborghini LP550-2 Valentino Balboni. On one run in particular, with the Q1's blowoff valve venting like a cross between a semi's air brakes and a gasping whale, the Rossion Q1 felt significantly faster than either car. Brutal, violent even. In fact, CEO Dean Rosen claims that when the Q1 laid down those numbers it was a humid, wet day. He figures that 3.1 or even 3 seconds flat to 60 mph is possible. Regardless, its kooky fast.

As quick as the Q1 is, dancing left to right is the little rocket's actual forte. Again, the numbers are silly. The Q1 can pull 1.065 g in either direction and slaughter a slalom at 75 mph. For comparison's sake, A Ferrari Enzo can "only" run the cones at 73 mph (and takes a leisurely 3.4 seconds to reach 60 mph) and it musters "just" 1.02 g around a 200-foot skidpad. Sadly, we and the Q1 were not destined to spend any time on the track together ÔÇô instead we were stuck playing on off-ramps or mired in Boca Raton traffic. While we experienced moments of unfettered hoonage, the affair was far from ideal. So we phoned up someone who had put the Q1 through its track day paces: drift and rally legend and host of Supercars Exposed, Tanner Foust.

"Knowing that it's based on a car with the magical suspension geometry that the Noble was known to have is the golden gem. Normally when a car is introduced and claims to have supercar capabilities, you figure sure, yeah right. But with the Noble-based Rossion, it's worth a second look... the Rossion feels very neutral, very light and very spooky in how responsive it is, like a mid-engine car should be. It handles the bumps at the limit and all that, but most important it's very predictable. Even when you're driving it completely sideways ÔÇô which I did ÔÇô it just does what's expected."

High praise indeed.

So, we hear you wondering, how much? A typical Q1 with the engine installed by American Speed Factory (the same place that sets up Ferrari Challenge cars, Grand Am Racers and Pro Formula Mazdas) will set you back between $103,000 and $109,000. That's Porsche Carrera S money for a car that will frankly outrun the Turbo. True, you can go crazy with the options list, choosing exotic paint schemes like matte finishes, painted wheels and diamond interior stitching, but even then you're talking about $130,000 or so, a price that's half off what you'd pay for a Ferrari F430 Scuderia.

And speaking of Ferrari, Dean Rosen is considering a Ferrari Challenge-style spec series featuring more track-prepped Q1s (poly bushings and all that). Still not convinced? Does $100,000+ for "just" 450 horses not float your supercar boat? Well, no one is making you go with the Mondeo-sourced 3.0-liter V6. You're free to buy the Q1 sans motor and shove in whatever you like ÔÇô it's just that no one has done so. In fact, Rosen himself floated the idea of using Ford's new EcoBoost direct-injected twin-turbo 3.5-liter V6, uncorked to the tune of 600 hp. But that's far in the future. For now, it's best to think of the Rossion Q1 as the American (via Britain and South Africa) supercar deal of the decade.

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The original story contains a bunch more pictures:
First Drive: Rossion Q1 is a supercar for the slightly rich — Autoblog

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - Madden - 08-30-2009

man I love Rossions, I got to be a passenger in a noble but have never seen a rossion yet in person

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - WRXtranceformed - 08-30-2009

One of the guys on the IS300 forum ordered one, he's taking delivery pretty soon. I'm pretty stoked to hear his thoughts on it.

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - Steve85 - 08-31-2009

A brief history of corvette racing on display at this years Corvettes @ Carlisle. There were probably a good 50 or so cars like this at the show. One of the best over the years. My apologies for the point and shoot inability to overcome glare and poor lighting. (And for the fanboyism :oops: ) It would have been a great event to have a video camera as the cars were moved around, the sounds of heavily cammed high compression 60's small blocks through side-pipes was just awesome. I imagine this is what trans-am, le mans, etc sounded like 40 yrs ago.

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All the cars had nice little tidbits about them.

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The C4's below were part of a two year SCCA "class" Corvette Challenge. It had a $1 Million purse and attracted some great drivers from the era. "The 1988-1989 Corvette Challenge series came about because, in the Sports Car Club of America's (SCCA) Showroom Stock GT category, Corvette had no challengers. From the fourth generation Corvette's introduction in 1984 through the 1987 season Corvette's combination of superior handling, excellent brakes, sticky Goodyear "Gatorback" VR50 tires and the Small Block V8's power and torque ran away and hid from its Showroom Stock competition. It didn't matter what the series was called, Playboy Challenge, Showroom Stock GT or Escort GT Endurance, Corvettes were unbeatable. Literally. They won every race they entered, with the only competition coming from among the Corvette entrants." Porsche, Lotus and other teams got together to get them banned after 87.

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Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - Goodspeed - 08-31-2009

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Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - WRXtranceformed - 09-01-2009

Goodspeed Wrote:

I wouldn't care if that was an original or a kit car. I'd hit it both ways until Sunday.

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - Goodspeed - 09-02-2009

WRXtranceformed Wrote:I wouldn't care if that was an original or a kit car. I'd hit it both ways until Sunday.

I never cared; in fact, I'd take a replica over the real thing. Collectors can have their 600k originals, I'd rather have a better engineered car that isn't trying to kill me as much with a better suspension, frame, and build quality.

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - ScottyB - 09-02-2009

997 sport classic

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fuchs? ducktail? manual only?

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Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - Steve85 - 09-02-2009

Cool, although I'd prefer a cleaner front end. I realize the openings are functional but they look too modern. The back (duck bill) says something different than the front.

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - ScottyB - 09-02-2009

Steve85 Wrote:Cool, although I'd prefer a cleaner front end. I realize the openings are functional but they look too modern. The back (duck bill) says something different than the front.

yeah, i think they nailed the back but i'd like to see a provision for a big old oil cooler in the front like the old RS bumpers

Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - Goodspeed - 09-04-2009

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/04/quick-drive-rizk-ra-marries-old-and-new-to-create-one-beautiful/

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Re: Cars that get you all hot and bothered - JustinG - 09-04-2009

the seats look like my office chair.....none the less i think its gorgeous