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- HAULN-SS - 09-02-2008
Umm..scuse me? Were the last 8 years bad?
Until two years ago, which happens to coincide with the last congressional elections where the democrats gained a majority:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
This was AFTER inheriting the dot-com bust of the late 90s. Sure things are a little slow now, but a lot of that really is mental. Oh yeah:
We're really winning in Iraq, really.
Your house most likely is still worth what it was in 2004, which was wayyyy above peak averages for appreciation
No Terror attacks in 7 years on american soil.
Man, this country is really going down the shitter. We better "change" something..and fast!
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
lol. just lol. i can't even find the words to reply to that.
please tell me that was a chain fwd you got.
7 years is pretty good though! :lol:
- Evan - 09-02-2008
Hard to reply to facts, Chris?
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
Evan Wrote:Hard to reply to facts, Chris?Oh come on Evan, you can't seriously believe the Democrat Congress is to blame for everything? I mean you guys are no better than the leftist bloggers, picking and choosing things to make your argument. Surely a man of your intelligence is smart enough to know there are way more factors that go into all these things than partisan voodoo.
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 year high;
2 years? what did he do the previous 4? let me guess, it was the terrurists!
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
What about all the other democratic presidents and congress when gasoline was $1 a gallon?
We're really winning in Iraq, really.
LOL!! Even if we are, I don't believe we shoulda been there in the first place.
No Terror attacks in 7 years on american soil.
7 years? That must be some kind of record! Oh wait...
I don't like dubya and it's not because he's a Republican. It's because his administration has seriously mishandled a lot of America's business. I didn't even vote for Kerry and it was the best way to get rid of him... if that tells you anything.
I like a lot about what the Repubs stand for but it's these silly defenses that really make you look like just a different shade of the other guy. If you think any of what Deersty posted is of value to anyone who isn't drinking the Kool Aid, you're drinking a bit of it yourself. It's like some secret club where you guys only know what it's really like and everyone else is just plain loony.
- G.Irish - 09-02-2008
Evan Wrote:If he was'nt black he wouldnt even be in the race.
White guilt, political correctness, and the media love affair with him is the only reason a first term senator with a questionable background is anywhere close to becoming president.
That is ridiculous. I suppose Abraham Lincoln who only had 8 years in the Illinois legislature and 1 term as a Representative wasn't qualified and only got the position because he was white? Or maybe because he had a beard? Or because he was skinny? Or maybe because he gave a few good speeches?
If being black was such a big advantage why hasn't Al Sharpton won the presidency (he ran in 2004)? Why is there only 1 black Senator and 8 black representatives when blacks make up 12% of the population? It's a conspiracy! Those black people are only there because of whitey guilt and affirmation action! As a matter of fact, maybe the only reason I was president of MM is because I was black!
Obama's race works for and against him. There are people who are only voting for him because he's black, there are people who aren't voting for him because he's black, and there are people who won't vote for him because they think he's Muslim. But to say he's only where he is because of his race is absurd.
- stevegula - 09-02-2008
Quote:"media love affair" - Why? Because Obama was in a hotly contested primary and was covered more initially (along with Hillary). Boo hoo.Ok, I don't understand how the media love affair can be denied. The drama behind his VP selection was fucking annoying at best. For an ENTIRE WEEK I saw news headlines speculating who he would pick, when he would announce it, etc. "OBAMA MAY CHOOSE TOMORROW".. "OBAMA MAY ANNOUNCE THIS WEEK!" Holy fucking christ people, it's not news until it's actually news. McCain on the other hand... "McCain picks Palin".. and it was over... and the DNC convention coverage and news leading up to it? like someone already said, "HISTORIC" was used way too often, the parallels between Obama and MLK were hilarious (maybe make the comparison after Obama's accomplished something?).
I don't support either candidate, but I keep waiting for the media to announce that Obama is the second coming of christ.
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
Well said Mr G. I didn't think I'd even utter those words.
Two more months.... weeeeeeeeeeeee!!1
- Evan - 09-02-2008
Apoc Wrote:Of course I dont believe that and that was'nt the implication.Evan Wrote:Hard to reply to facts, Chris?Oh come on Evan, you can't seriously believe the Democrat Congress is to blame for everything?
The fact is that this country was not in as terrible shape during the past 8 years as the "other guy" tries to make it look.
And Dereks point that the recent economic decline has happened under the Dem's watch is more of a defense to the claims of 'your side' that everything is those eeeeviiillll republican's fault.
like Obama saying Palin doesnt have enough experience......
- .RJ - 09-02-2008
G.Irish Wrote:As a matter of fact, maybe the only reason I was president of MM is because I was black!
:dunno: :lol:
- JackoliciousLegs - 09-02-2008
Ole Wrote:Now the result is to smear.Obama came out and said to leave her daughter alone. How is that a smear campaign. I think people just want to know who the kid's dad is.
Apoc Wrote:Politics are boring. Scandals are entertaining!Precisely.
Adam, your post was amazing.
Evan Wrote:Hard to reply to facts, Chris?-Here's your booming economy (stretch that shit back to 2000) :roll:
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-Here's your deficit :roll:
-Here are your winning in Iraq :roll:
-Here's more booming fucking economy
-Here's your great tax cuts
Honestly, if you're happy with the way things are going, vote for McCain. Seriously. I'm not going to try to stop you. If you are happy with it, just do it. Vote for McCain/Palin. End of story. If you like the fact that we invaded Iraq, vote for them. If your stocks are doing great, do it. If you're happy with health care the way it is, do it. If you don't want to travel, do it. If you don't care about warrantless wiretapping, or torture of prisoners, or alienation of people based on religion, race, sexuality... vote for McCain. If you're happy with our education system, do it. If you don't like the idea of a minimum wage, vote for McCain. If you like abstinence only education, and religious education in science class, vote for McCain. If you think that the Bush tax cuts were a good idea, vote for McCain. VOTE FOR MCCAIN.
Nice quote from Reddit today: "I agree with the Repubs, daughter's pregnancy is private, just as abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, and recreational drug use are private matters that should be beyond government and politics."
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
Evan Wrote:And Dereks point that the recent economic decline has happened under the Dem's watch is more of a defense to the claims of 'your side' that everything is those eeeeviiillll republican's fault.
Anyone who claims it's "the other guy's" fault for the sake of finger pointing is a retard, regardless of affiliation. Unfortunately, that's the way politics work in this day and age. Whoever has the best "I'm less evil" speech wins. :?
- HAULN-SS - 09-02-2008
Apoc Wrote:We're really winning in Iraq, really.
LOL!! Even if we are, I don't believe we shoulda been there in the first place.
Do you not believe in a peaceful mideast, and ridding the world of muslim extremists? Planting the seed of democracy in the heart of the middle east is why we are there. Maybe we went there under a bad front, bad intelligence, etc, but we're there, and can make a big difference now. Democratic countries are prosperous. Iraq's neighbors are going to be extremely jealous about the democractic process happening next door in Iraq, and the entire mid-east will be self-policing once that is in for good. Afghanistan just doesn't mean as much. Are we going to send our entire army essentially after one guy in Afghanistan, or are we going to use those resources in a more intelligent way and go after some lasting effects in Iraq? Easy decision to me anyway.
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
HAULN-SS Wrote:Do you not believe in a peaceful mideast, and ridding the world of muslim extremists? Planting the seed of democracy in the heart of the middle east is why we are there.
I don't believe it's our job to do any of those things... and that's where we have to agree to disagree.
- JackoliciousLegs - 09-02-2008
HAULN-SS Wrote:Do you not believe in ... ridding the world of muslim extremists?No. Not forcefully. Unless they attack us. You can't fight terrorism with an army. How do you not fucking get this?!
HAULN-SS Wrote:Democratic countries are prosperous. Iraq's neighbors are going to be extremely jealous about the democractic process happening next door in Iraq, and the entire mid-east will be self-policing once that is in for good.That sounds like pig-headed, interventionist, ignorant foreign policy.
HAULN-SS Wrote:Are we going to send our entire army essentially after one guy in Afghanistan, or are we going to use those resources in a more intelligent way and go after some lasting effects in Iraq? Easy decision to me anyway.So you don't care about the people that *actually attacked us*?
- HAULN-SS - 09-02-2008
Look, all I am saying is that, sometimes you have to knock the other guy out. If no one wins this time, then there is nothing but hate brooding on one side or the other. You know what that leads to? The answer is a NEW war! Yes! What we all want!
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
Tell that to all the Muslim children entering training camps because we blew up their mom on accident.
That's kinda Jack's point. Foreign occupation doesn't combat terrorism, it breeds it.
- HAULN-SS - 09-02-2008
I understand his point, but by definition a terrorist is irreconcilable. That means you cannot reason with them. Do either of you care to do something besides say I'm wrong? Every one of Jack's link were basically bogus. I am glad I clicked on them to confirm my suspicions. If you click on various links on those pages to find out more detail, they mean a lot more. I guess a picture and a headline is all you need, huh? Do you see Germany, Japan, or Italy giving us any problems today? No, we swung hard and knocked them out.
- JackoliciousLegs - 09-02-2008
You make me sad.
- HAULN-SS - 09-02-2008
Didn't think so.
- Hunter - 09-02-2008
Holy crap Derek. I don't know if you're being ignorant, dumb or both, but you're showing a severe misunderstanding for the middle east and what breeds terrorism.
Fighting terrorism isn't like defeating some army, you can't just go do it by force and you won't win the fight with a carefully planned strike. It takes time, and you don't do it by forcefully occupying Muslim nations, or ignoring basic human rights, and certainly not by invading a nation when the UN has even said no. All that does is breed an even more volatile generation of terrorists. How hard is it to sell the idea that America is evil to someone...
Wait wait wait... This thread is titled VPILF, there's no need to bring actual politics into this.
Someone go find pictures of Sarah Palin when she won Miss Alaska, bonus points for swimsuit competition pics.