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- Ginger - 11-26-2007
G.Irish Wrote:The overwhelming majority of those accidents were caused by handlebar actuator malfunction. I think only two of them have been caused by a cager.
But you know, end up maimed by your own hand or somebody else's, you're still maimed.
I agree all the recent posts, for sure, I was just putting the numbers thing out there b/c I didn't want it to seem like your chances of getting hurt are like, super low
- Ginger - 11-26-2007
Can somebody change my username to Ginger? I might as well acknowledge reality by now...
- .RJ - 11-26-2007
asteele2 Wrote:Whether or not I'll continue to ride on the street is a decision I haven't made yet.
I went through the same through process earlier this year and, at the time, for me I just figured that if I didnt have a street bike I'd really miss being able to hop on and head up the road for... whatever - for example, thanksgiving morning the weather was perfect, the leaves had turned and I went up through great falls for about a 2 hr ride, rode pretty slow and had a great time. I've scaled back riding a little bit, I dont ride to work every day lately and I'm not out on the bike all day every weekend either. That got to be a little bit of a drag and I dont enjoy racking up a ton of miles on the highway either - there's just no benefit to me for it.
asteele2 Wrote:Personally, though, I'm starting to feel like I'd rather hedge those chances by riding more on the track and less on the street. At least there a cager won't plow you with a truck from behind, t-bone you on the gas, or, like, be around.
But you might be riding with paulbaz, so... I think that evens out
I wonder what the difference in risk really is between riding on track and on the street given equal gear? Mile per mile you're more likely to crash on track (IMO) and while EV/Helo is readily available - no gravel/cagers/retards but you're going to have a much faster pace on track.
- .RJ - 11-26-2007
Apoc Wrote:If you save the street riding for nice days and rides in the sticks you're probably less likely to end up in a serious accident than if you're commuting every day.
Riding in the sticks is far more dangerous than commuting in a straight line to work in traffic, IMO. Lots more to hit on the side of the road, and a lot more hazards on the road surface (gravel, grass, poop, etc).
- Apoc - 11-26-2007
For a car it's probably safer on the track. On a bike, I'm not so sure. I mean what percentage is Matt for track days to injury?
- Ginger - 11-26-2007
.RJ Wrote:I wonder what the difference in risk really is between riding on track and on the street given equal gear? Mile per mile you're more likely to crash on track (IMO) and while EV/Helo is readily available - no gravel/cagers/retards but you're going to have a much faster pace on track.
At least it's on the Handlebar Nut to not crash... and I think that's really the Big Point. I was paying attenion. I was wearing my good gear. I was riding a GIANT orange bike. I had bright lights I acted defensively to try and prevent the wreck. I acted defensively during the wreck. And she STILL nailed me. If I crash in T3, at least it's gonna most likely be my fault.
- Apoc - 11-26-2007
.RJ Wrote:Apoc Wrote:If you save the street riding for nice days and rides in the sticks you're probably less likely to end up in a serious accident than if you're commuting every day.
Riding in the sticks is far more dangerous than commuting in a straight line to work in traffic, IMO. Lots more to hit on the side of the road, and a lot more hazards on the road surface (gravel, grass, poop, etc).
Granted.... but commuting 15 times a month versus 3 days in the sticks and I'm guessing commuting becomes statistically more dangerous.
(rate of injury) x (frequency) = likelihood
- .RJ - 11-26-2007
asteele2 Wrote:If I crash in T3, at least it's gonna most likely be my fault.
I agree with the principle - but does it matter the fault or the reasons if you're in a body cast?
Racing is a whole 'nother story but if you were to start down that road, then your chances of getting taken out by another's mistake is much higher and something you have to consider.
- BLINGMW - 11-26-2007
G.Irish Wrote:You ain't gonna hit a car on track.I don't have much to add, but that's my philosophy as well. I never expect my bike to actually get me anywhere. Just a nice weekend ride now and then so neither the bike nor I get rusty. I've taken it to work like twice. Other than that, it's track use.
I figure all I can do is limit my exposure as I know that I can't be 100% attentive all the time and avoid anything that comes at me, that's just not realistic. And learning from you guys, and plenty of others, it's clearly inevitable with enough street miles, and then the injury level is just luck.
So. Really sorry about your bike man, that had to be horribly frustrating at best. I hate to see a hardcore rider like yourself give up riding all the time, but on the other hand, I think it'd be nicer to have you alive and on track with me. :thumbup:
- Ginger - 11-26-2007
.RJ Wrote:I agree with the principle - but does it matter the fault or the reasons if you're in a body cast?
I think I said that somewhere above
On principle what's my mom afraid of? I think it's the factors beyond my control.. at least riding on track will mitigate a few of the worst ones. Eventually we work our way into the safety bubble that it becomes stupid to think about. I dono where that is, though, that's why I haven't made up my mind.
- HAULN-SS - 11-26-2007
meh. You could've been born needing 24/7 care for life. 1 in 1000 kids are born with down syndrome for example. That's worse odds than the odds gerald posted.
- Feersty - 11-26-2007
good luck.
- Mike - 11-27-2007
G.Irish Wrote:[
Quote:Your chances of having an accident? RJ, G, Mikey, Myself, Matt, Chris, my friend Alex, my Dad, Navin, most riders that I know, we've ALL had accidents.The overwhelming majority of those accidents were caused by handlebar actuator malfunction. I think only two of them have been caused by a cager.
2/9 riders listed above got in accidents due to four-wheelers... i don't dig those odds.
andrew, kudos for rethinking everything.
- Apoc - 11-27-2007
Who's the other? Surely you can't be talking about yourself.
9 is not statistically significant enough of a sample size to tell you much of anything. Margin of error is in the 33% range with a result of 22% (even if you assume 2/9) and you've got shit for results.
- Evan - 11-27-2007
HAULN-SS Wrote:1 in 1000 kids are born with down syndrome for example.is that your excuse?
i cant believe you guys left that one hanging out there....
- Mike - 11-27-2007
Apoc Wrote:Who's the other? Surely you can't be talking about yourself.
uh, yeah, i am. i'm trying to recollect, but i don't think you were there... and the cop that was directly behind me, calling it unavoidable and 100% her fault, was. go figure... it's just you trying to be a douchebag "holier than thou" as always.
- Apoc - 11-27-2007
What was I thinking... you're Mike and nothing is ever your fault. Hard to be "holier than thou" when I actually admit my fuck ups.
Sorry... I just don't buy that you have no responsibility when you hit the person in front of you. It may have been unavoidable given where you were, I'm questioning what got you there in the first place.
That said, it doesn't sound like that accident was a factor of you being on a bike so I don't think it's fair to lump it into "motorcycle accidents caused by stupid cagers." I mean couldn't I blame my drop on the minivan being there? If it wasn't I wouldn't have been in that situation... but really it was my fault for leaving myself open to it.
No need to rehash your whole thread. I just see Andrew's accident a bit differently, that's all. He was doing everything right and still got hosed. I don't think any of the rest of us were.
P.S. - Your confidence interval still sucks.
- Ginger - 11-28-2007
Apoc Wrote:I just see Andrew's accident a bit differently, that's all. He was doing everything right and still got hosed. I don't think any of the rest of us were.
Holy God, is that a compliment!?
No decisions made yet. I probably won't be making any for a little while. Insurance is supposed get back to me by tomorow, presumably with a check $ figure. If the value were to suck, are those the kinds of things you can negotiate?
- HAULN-SS - 11-28-2007
asteele2 Wrote:No decisions made yet. I probably won't be making any for a little while. Insurance is supposed get back to me by tomorow, presumably with a check $ figure. If the value were to suck, are those the kinds of things you can negotiate?
yeah, usually in a court of law.
- Ginger - 11-28-2007
Why would I take my own insurance company to court?