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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 04-26-2016
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How is that bead still holding?
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 04-26-2016
Should be good enough for now. Can always add smoother/harder shit later to make the air less turbulent
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-15-2016
Well long story short I have to take my a/c out if I want brake ducts on passenger side. Plenty of room on driver side.
Rubbing on full lock on inner fender
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It will be a tight fit regardless though.
Also my brake pads are bit low in the front. There's enough to DD but two or more track weekends they'd be toast. My rears have 1/3rd left though so we good there for a bit.
Finally, definitely boiled my brake fluid last event. I'm between empty and full
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-19-2016
I need some rice with this mirror
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Maengelito - 05-19-2016
rherold9 Wrote:Also my brake pads are bit low in the front. There's enough to DD but two or more track weekends they'd be toast. My rears have 1/3rd left though so we good there for a bit.
Finally, definitely boiled my brake fluid last event. I'm between empty and full
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Buuuuuut, you'll be using those Hawks you ordered this weekend, right?
Also, brake fluid level has nothing to do with it being boiled. Fluid level is just an indicator of how much pad you have left. As the brake pads wear, the caliper piston is pushing further to accommodate the thinner pad. Your brake fluid is what is displacing that space behind the caliper piston.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-19-2016
Maengelito Wrote:Buuuuuut, you'll be using those Hawks you ordered this weekend, right?
Also, brake fluid level has nothing to do with it being boiled. Fluid level is just an indicator of how much pad you have left. As the brake pads wear, the caliper piston is pushing further to accommodate the thinner pad. Your brake fluid is what is displacing that space behind the caliper piston.
Yeah I have the front dtc's in my car with a C clamp as well. Hopefully will have time to do it during the day or I guess I'll be doing it at night.
And I have no idea, just guessing. You are probably right.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Maengelito - 05-19-2016
rherold9 Wrote:Maengelito Wrote:Buuuuuut, you'll be using those Hawks you ordered this weekend, right?
Also, brake fluid level has nothing to do with it being boiled. Fluid level is just an indicator of how much pad you have left. As the brake pads wear, the caliper piston is pushing further to accommodate the thinner pad. Your brake fluid is what is displacing that space behind the caliper piston.
Yeah I have the front dtc's in my car with a C clamp as well. Hopefully will have time to do it during the day or I guess I'll be doing it at night.
And I have no idea, just guessing. You are probably right.
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Is your brake pedal spongy? If so, you'll also be bleeding your brakes when you go to replace the pads.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-19-2016
Maengelito Wrote:Slightly. Going to do a quick bleed regardlessrherold9 Wrote:Maengelito Wrote:Buuuuuut, you'll be using those Hawks you ordered this weekend, right?
Also, brake fluid level has nothing to do with it being boiled. Fluid level is just an indicator of how much pad you have left. As the brake pads wear, the caliper piston is pushing further to accommodate the thinner pad. Your brake fluid is what is displacing that space behind the caliper piston.
Yeah I have the front dtc's in my car with a C clamp as well. Hopefully will have time to do it during the day or I guess I'll be doing it at night.
And I have no idea, just guessing. You are probably right.
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Is your brake pedal spongy? If so, you'll also be bleeding your brakes when you go to replace the pads.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-19-2016
Well found out tonight when I arrived that I can't see directly behind me within 10-15 feet when I have my helmet on. Looking to buy a mirror at OG tomorrow to stick on to my wink mirror so I can see directly behind me.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Kaan - 05-20-2016
rherold9 Wrote:Well found out tonight when I arrived that I can't see directly behind me within 10-15 feet when I have my helmet on. Looking to buy a mirror at OG tomorrow to stick on to my wink mirror so I can see directly behind me.
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you are getting tunnel vision. you cant focus on one panel. there should be no way you cant see directly behind you if the mirror is centered on the car (which it is).
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-20-2016
Kaan Wrote:So.... I looked at picture of instructions with Chinese or Japanese and the mirror was opposite of what it was supposed to be. Everything is fixed nowrherold9 Wrote:Well found out tonight when I arrived that I can't see directly behind me within 10-15 feet when I have my helmet on. Looking to buy a mirror at OG tomorrow to stick on to my wink mirror so I can see directly behind me.
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you are getting tunnel vision. you cant focus on one panel. there should be no way you cant see directly behind you if the mirror is centered on the car (which it is).
Edit: there were a very small amount of bubbles when I bled the brakes today and the fluid looked clean so that's good. Pedal feels super nice now as well. So, also realized when caliper bolt was not screwed in fully on driver side so may be another reason why it felt weird at summit. Not to mention the rear pads are slightly more worn at the top than the bottom as well because of that.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-21-2016
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More later. Lols
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - V1GiLaNtE - 05-21-2016
Well shit. Hope you're at least ok man.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-21-2016
Well full story from my perspective. There is a DE3 driver who at Summit took a bit to give point bys or would then drag race me. Conditions weren't the best from the rain offline as well.
So, same driver. This was partially my fault as well as I could not have taken the point by. But, basically we had a lap and a half of pace. Double yellows dropped at the braking zone of the back straight. I run up on this person all the way until the front straight by the villas. I still had not gotten a point through rollercoaster and hogpen so I decided to give a point by to Tom behind me. As soon as I did that the driver in front moved towards the inside of the track and gave me a point by..... Definitely one thing that shouldn't be done. But, that driver never slowed up. Was dragged raced all the way into the braking zone. Yes I know this is DE3 and all... still to pull on a car you just gave a point by to is pretty bad, imo. I'd never do that. But, I guess I'm too nice for a beginner DE3 driver. Long story short we both brake. She goes back a bit to right off my rear bumper so I decide to brake a little less as I have the faster, wider arc, and turn in a but late. As soon as I go to turn in a bit wide I slide. I catch that but then slightly slide again so I corrected and let it go off track instead of possibly overcorrecting back into traffic. As soon as I hit the grass since it was wet there were no brakes and I full locked the wheel but kept going straight into a tire wall. So yeah.
TL;DR I'm too nice of a driver. Gave too much room in a corner and ended up running myself off the corner.
I has video of incident to post eventually.
Overall, looks like I'll need a new headlight, fender well, splash shield, front bumper, maybe hood, and maybe radiator or radiator supports. I'll be taking some stuff off and looking at it more tomorrow. So, mostly cosmetic. No check engine lights, no leakiness from what I saw today, and it driver straight.
Not sure how fast I hit the tire wall but maybe 30-40 mph or so. I think I got pretty lucky and I am very happy it wasn't worse. Shout out to having a hans because my neck still feels perfectly fine 8 hours later. Definitely recommend safety 10/10.
Plans are to replace the it from a junk yard car or something and that's about it. Last track event before I start towing though or at the very minimum get a truck.
I'm honestly more upset I probably won't drive the rest of the weekend then anything else.
Edit: In other news, the DTC60s on the front are amazing. Take Maneg's recommendations and go to track pads before anything else. Sad I won't be able to test them more but no brake fade, so much torque, and I feel like I'm using half the pedal I'd normally use.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Scott - 05-22-2016
First off, I am glad you are ok and and the safety equipment worked as intended. It could of been a lot worse. Brake failure at VIR is what finally made the decision for me to purchase a truck and trailer. Some of your other comments are concerning. Maybe I've been away from DE to long and just don't understand anymore.....
rherold9 Wrote:This was partially my fault as well as I could not have taken the point by.
I'm confused how it's not your fault completely? As the passing driver it is your responsibility to complete the pass safely. The other car didn't touch you or run you off the track. It was a total jerk move by them to drag race you after the point, however it's up to you to complete the pass safely, or wait until the next opportunity (just like in racing).
rherold9 Wrote:But, that driver never slowed up. Was dragged raced all the way into the braking zone. Yes I know this is DE3 and all... still to pull on a car you just gave a point by to is pretty bad, imo. I'd never do that.
Don't ever do a DE with the Porsche club then, you haven't seem anything yet.....
rherold9 Wrote:But, I guess I'm too nice for a beginner DE3 driver.
No such thing as "too nice in DE". It's not racing..........
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-22-2016
Okay, I guess I'm totally wrong and not used to DE3 then. DE2 and DE3 are a lot different I guess I don't get how DE3 works. I guess my thoughts on DE unless it's like 4 is it's not racing. Let people by you. You obviously don't slow down as much as DE2 but, should not have gotten a point by so late to begin with to have to sit behind a car for 3 turns is not excusable.
As for after the point by I agree that it is my fault. No questions there.
It's just the same stuff happened (no point by and drag race) at summit point last month with the same driver. I guess I need more of an ego and to be a dick. Idk.
Edit: and to be honest I've really never had an issue with most cars. They'll ease up ever so slightly enough and also give me a point by as soon as behind them.
Lesson learned though.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-23-2016
So, after my little off road experience my options are find a truck asap to DD and don't fix car until I get a trailer or fix car and DD it until I get truck and trailer hopefully in August.
I'll need to search junk yards to find cheap parts if I do fix it but it's still going to be I think around several hundred dollars but could be less.
Not sure what to do. Regardless, I won't be tracking the car until I pick up a trailer so even if I fix it asap I won't be driving it on track. I plan on working as many events as possible to get credit when I can drive. Should help a lot cost wise.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Jake - 05-23-2016
OK, first off, glad you're okay and the car just needs some cosmetics. I suspect you weren't going as fast as you think you were as you impacted the tires. 30-40 mph would have done more damage. Anyway...
I'm with Scott, you can't say it's partially your fault as the one who was attempting to complete the pass and did not do so. There are plenty of people who will give you a point and not back off much or at all. Sometimes they don't realize the power gap, other times they think you'll get 'em in a braking zone, whatever. If you are continually frustrated being stuck behind Angry Porsche Lady or whatever, pull onto pit road and ask for space. You're not racing, there is no need to have an "outbrake the other" challenge into a turn. Be glad you didn't do what Aaron did and put your car into the passenger door of a Mustang.
Quote:It's just the same stuff happened (no point by and drag race) at summit point last month with the same driver. I guess I need more of an ego and to be a dick. Idk.
That's the complete opposite of what you need. Use this as a lesson in awareness and think about when and where you want to both take and give passes. HPDE 3 is a hot mess of talent and you have to check your ego when you get on track. I know everyone wants that "perfect pass" on GoPro so they can win the YouTube awards on Monday morning, but DE 3 and DE 4 are still Driver Education first and foremost, whether you have some form of personal lap timer running or not. Even if you're TTing/racing, there are divebombs you shouldn't take.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - D_Eclipse9916 - 05-23-2016
Agreed with the others, glad you are okay and mostly superficial damage.
You were expecting the other driver to give you space, but you are the passing driver. It is your responsibility to be over and above to ensure you can pass cleanly. I think the issue is not the ego (actually opposite, ego could not take backing off) but more of a split-decision made badly. (we all make mistakes)
You wanted to execute the pass, saw that it was not going well, but continued to stick your nose in it. That was where the failure and accident occurred. You realized it was a late pass, you realized he was racing you to the corner, but you really wanted that pass and went in a little deep. We have all done it before, chalk it up to lesson learned and move on. Don't dwell on it and put it behind you.
Next time in HPDE realize it's not worth the pass if a guy is being a dick and let him do his own thing. As Chris says a lot in meetings: "You can be right, but on your roof". AKA: You may be "by the book" and be completely right to be there, but itll still end badly. It's sometimes not worth being right...
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 05-23-2016
All I remember is I could have slowed down more but thought I was fine. I turned in on the wider side of the track and started to get oversteer with squealing rear tires... I corrected. Turned in again and got oversteer again corrected. After the second correction I was super close to the edge so I could have turned in again or just let it off and I let it off.
Not sure why the rear tires were so unhappy besides just picking up all the bad shit off on track the line. If I was going in too hot with too much input I would've understeered into oblivion.
All I could have done after thinking everything over is let it oversteer the second time until I could make it out of the turn then throttle and snap correct but you don't think about these things in the moment with little experience and if I didn't do it correctly I would have gone back into traffic. I'll post the video later today once I get a good look at it.
Overall, I just gave too much room as I thought they weren't going to let up. I was too worried about them than myself and thinking correctly. I have usually pitted in the past when I've gotten frustrated in pain trains for DE2. Not sure why I didn't this time.
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