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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - RawrImAMonster - 04-20-2016
I feel like boosting your car for track use is asking for a lot of headaches, but I don't know that much about Mazda's specifically. I know that a lot of people run into unexpected problems when boosting cars that were NA from the factory. Cooling, various drivetrain components not holding up, etc.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - CaptainHenreh - 04-20-2016
Man I hate to be that guy but (actually not true I love being that guy) at this point, concentrate on "get good" behind the wheel of your 3, and go buy an MS3, or something more competitive for TT.
You're asking for trouble, this coming from someone who has BT, DT.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Maengelito - 04-20-2016
Before anything else, please please please get a set of dedicated race pads and rotors. You've got a roll bar now, I think its safe to say you're going to be tracking this thing. Quit screwing around with double duty brake pads. I've never been a fan of Hawks but lots of people seem to like them. I would probably go with some Carbotech XP-10 (or 12) and new rotors. You'll find that new pads will make a world of difference. If you're still having problems, then add ducting.
Other than that, Rex can sum it up for you:
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Man I hate to be that guy but (actually not true I love being that guy) at this point, concentrate on "get good" behind the wheel of your 3, and go buy an MS3, or something more competitive for TT.
You're asking for trouble, this coming from someone who has BT, DT.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Senor_Taylor - 04-20-2016
I kind of agree with everyone else. I know you have this "Don't need Mazdaspeed to be fast" attitude, but you're putting a lot of money into something that really won't ever be that fast.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 04-20-2016
RawrImAMonster Wrote:I feel like boosting your car for track use is asking for a lot of headaches, but I don't know that much about Mazda's specifically. I know that a lot of people run into unexpected problems when boosting cars that were NA from the factory. Cooling, various drivetrain components not holding up, etc.
Yes I'll have to worry about more maintenance. But, 210whp is on the lower end of power people have put out on these cars but none of them have done longer track sessions... so idk. I'll be the one to find out. By the time I do this it will be towed so I'm not worried about
Things I'll need to do are is a new clutch for sure. The transmission I'm not really sure on as no one has pushed it. If it pops it pops. New transmission or whatever :dunno: . The rest of the engine shouldn't have cooling issues with the addition. Right now it runs super cool for the most part. The only time the radiator fan has come on was at the July VIR event this past summer. The rotrex will have it's own oil cooler and separate oil from the engine.
Also, if the engine pops it pops and I'll build it to stock specs with stronger stuff. No one has pushed this car at all to limits on the track that I'm aware of boosted. I'll have to be the guinea pig but the way it has gone with this econobox it should run pretty well for a few events before major issues I'm assuming.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 04-20-2016
If being competitive is running 1:30s without slicks, brakes, and stripped weight when the top TTE time at Summit is 1:27 then I don't know what is "competitive".................. If you think I can't get down to TTC times of 1:25 with the plans on the car I don't know what else I can say.
If being competitive for wheel to wheel racing is what you are saying then yeah there is really nothing for this car. I don't mind running TT for years and having fun with the car. That's the whole point of this hobby is to have fun. I'll have more fun building a car to what I like and giving it a run for what it's got.
I do plan on picking up pads like I've said ducts and DTC60s for Hyperfest will be purchased soon.
People can say "told you so" all along and it doesn't matter to me. I realized this isn't your typical go fast race car and isn't what people imagine to be on the track. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out. Oh fucking well. But, for the time being I'm going to enjoy it even if it is going to have more issues. I appreciate the concern. I understand it. You all don't want me to "waste" my time but I don't see it that way. Thank you for the input though.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - CaptainHenreh - 04-20-2016
rherold9 Wrote:No one has pushed this car at all to limits on the track that I'm aware of boosted. I'll have to be the guinea pig but the way it has gone with this econobox it should run pretty well for a few events before major issues I'm assuming.
Ok, you're the boss. I'll just be standing over here.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 04-20-2016
Y'all act like I'm blind to the fact that boosting an N/A car for track use won't have issues. I realize it will. It will be trailered. I can tow it home broken as fuck in a million pieces. I don't care if it gets broken. If I cared I would not have put money into this thing in the first place. I wouldn't be in DE3 with a slow as shit Mazda3. I enjoy the car and that's what I care about the most. And for a Mazda3 it does quite well.
Edit: Also, I'm not even mad so don't take it that way. I'm just laying out my thoughts.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - SlimKlim - 04-20-2016
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - CaptainHenreh - 04-20-2016
rherold9 Wrote:Y'all act like I'm blind to the fact that boosting an N/A car for track use won't have issues. I realize it will. It will be trailered. I can tow it home broken as fuck in a million pieces.
Literally every person here has either been where you're at or is headed there.
I'm just trying to save you some pain, but some people gotta learn the hard way. Nothing wrong with that, you do you. Just in 16 months when you're all GODDAMMIT FUCK THIS PIECE OF SHIT CUNTASSFUCKTWATWAFFLE CAR we're just all gonna be like :dunno: :thumbup: :bootyshake:
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - JustinG - 04-20-2016
rherold9 Wrote:I can tow it home broken as fuck in a million pieces.
True, but then you lose your track entry fee cause it happened the second session on Saturday.
Do whatever you want, i'm not hating on the 3, the whole point of DE is to run whatever you drive to work on Monday.
Regarding going FI:
But before you do, take a look around the paddock. The guys who are running the entire weekend in TT or Racegroups have "slow" cars or displacement.
In my time at the track, the FI cars either don't make it through a weekend, or have so much money thrown into them it isn't worth it. A very fast, well respected, shop owned FI car (Element Tuning) barely makes it through a weekend.
My 2 cents, leave the car as it is right now and drive the fucking piss out of it, or pick out a different platform if you want to go "Fast".
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 04-20-2016
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Literally every person here has either been where you're at or is headed there.
I'm just trying to save you some pain, but some people gotta learn the hard way. Nothing wrong with that, you do you. Just in 16 months when you're all GODDAMMIT FUCK THIS PIECE OF SHIT CUNTASSFUCKTWATWAFFLE CAR we're just all gonna be like :dunno: :thumbup: :bootyshake:
rherold9 Wrote:People can say "told you so" all along and it doesn't matter to me. I realized this isn't your typical go fast race car and isn't what people imagine to be on the track. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out. Oh fucking well. But, for the time being I'm going to enjoy it even if it is going to have more issues. I appreciate the concern. I understand it. You all don't want me to "waste" my time but I don't see it that way. Thank you for the input though.
JustinG Wrote:True, but then you lose your track entry fee cause it happened the second session on Saturday.
Do whatever you want, i'm not hating on the 3, the whole point of DE is to run whatever you drive to work on Monday.
Regarding going FI:
But before you do, take a look around the paddock. The guys who are running the entire weekend in TT or Racegroups have "slow" cars or displacement.
In my time at the track, the FI cars either don't make it through a weekend, or have so much money thrown into them it isn't worth it. A very fast, well respected, shop owned FI car (Element Tuning) barely makes it through a weekend.
My 2 cents, leave the car as it is right now and drive the fucking piss out of it, or pick out a different platform if you want to go "Fast".
Element Tuning has a ridiculously built car with waaayyyy more power. You all realize this is 200whp lol. It's nothing. It's not a 500whp screaming FWD monster or RWD in Element's case.
I just don't want to sit in TTE alone racing for time on myself lol. Yeah it would be easiest, low maintenance, etc... but running TTC with a bit more power and a little more maintenance along with knowing I built my car the way I like it I think will be more fun. If have a headache with it then okay you all are right like I mentioned. I'll also be planning working so I won't be losing too much money if the car blows into a million pieces. $50 for TT with working. I don't care if the car blows up. If I really have that many issues I just get a regular 2.0 N/A again or maybe just swap in the 2.5 :dunno:
Edit: I know shit is going to break. I will probably get pissed and say fuck this car several times, complain, etc... I literally see what you are all saying but I want to see what I can do with this slow car. It may be a waste of time and a money pit but the day I stop having fun and enjoying the 3 is the day I get rid of it. I won't know that unless I do something out of the box and give something a try. It's probably going to be a big flop but at least at first I can hope I'll have fun with it
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - CaptainHenreh - 04-20-2016
rherold9 Wrote:Element Tuning has a ridiculously built car with waaayyyy more power. You all realize this is 200whp lol. It's nothing. It's not a 500whp screaming FWD monster or RWD in Element's case.
You're replying to a guy who did exactly what you're proposing and hated it. As Justin about his forced induction adventures, and with a much more well-worn path than you're suggesting.
Worry about racing when you get there. You just graduated to 3. Spend a season modifying the car's wetware and then worry about "racing by yourself."
If you wanna bench race then fine, fucking bench race away, let's talk about a V6 swap, you can supercharge THAT if you still need more. But if you're being serious, just take a puff and sit down, no need to hit the GFCP like it's yo' momma's titty.
edit: TO WIT: YOU CAN'T RACE IF YOUR FUCKIN' CAR IS BROKE, EVEN IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT BROKEN CARS YOU CARE ABOUT BEING ON PAVEMENT, RIGHT?
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Kaan - 04-20-2016
dont boost your car... if it didnt come boosted from mazda you are just asking for trouble AND its going to throw you all over the place in TT. and is TT your end game? you really need to answer that question.
here is what i got from the dyno reclass when i was going to K swap the crx. it was all in preparation to plan the build out... the numbers are what count:
"maximum of 180 fwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2450 lbs, will have a new base class of PTD*/TTD* (seven points). Your new base tire size is 245mm.
Or,
maximum of 181 fwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2350 lbs, will have a new base class of PTD**/TTD** (fourteen points). Your new base tire size is 245mm."
you want 210hp/2880lbs... give your take the double wishbone vs. mcstrut debate... you'll be looking at TTD* or TTD** minimum. but then again its all voodoo.... so who the hell knows.
really... the question still is... what is your end game? is PT and TT good enough? or do you want something else?
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 04-20-2016
I'm not saying I disagree that I won't hate it or shit won't go wrong or I may be wasting money, just let me experience being a dumbass if that makes you happy. I don't know what else to say lol. I'm sure me doing something will give everyone a good laugh and jokes when it all goes down hill. I honestly just want to see the limits of the car since no one has done so.
At this point might as well 20B swap this bitch then. For real though, I'm not bench racing I'm actually being quite serious about doing this.
Edit: to Kaan's post. No idea what my end game is. I doubt I'll know until I try something with this car. Probably won't ever know. People constantly change their mind in hobbies/life all the time
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Jake - 04-20-2016
Heh, you have a confirmed worker spot for every event?
I'm with Justin, N/A is the way to go for reliability. No matter what you pay for your entry fee, minimizing headaches and downtime is the key to max fun. Also, your cheap entry due to working means you don't have nearly as much time to fuck around with the car between sessions.
And yes, you can just tow the thing home, but given the overall cost of attending one of these weekends - wear on truck, wear on trailer, fuel to get there/back, food, beer, water, sunscreen, time off of work, long nights of prep time on the car, etc - do you really want to have the car blow up Saturday morning and still have to stay there and work the weekend, but not run? I've done it (head gasket, March 2015) and it sucks. DJ's done it. Countless others have done it.
Things happen but you're purposely introducing a variable that has proven to be less reliable, we're just looking out for you.
Why not keep it N/A, do every other conceivable mod to it, bump it up to TTD and come beat up on me and Christina and whoever else?
Do you run a datalog app on your phone for lap times? Video estimations are just that... not saying you are a bad driver but until you have any form of Aim/Traqmate/Harry's Lap Timer/transponder on bumper, you don't truly know where you and the car sit now vs. what you stand to gain.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - CaptainHenreh - 04-20-2016
rherold9 Wrote:I'm not saying I disagree that I won't hate it or shit won't go wrong or I may be wasting money, just let me experience being a dumbass if that makes you happy.
That's fine. Go forth and do as you will. I won't really fault you for it, again: We all done done it.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - navin - 04-20-2016
If you are at a 1:30 at Summit Main already, why not do some other mods and bump into TTD.
TTD in MA has at least 4 cars every weekend, and looking at times from this past weekend youd' be somewhat competitive there. Biggest freakin Hoosiers you can fit on that thing and go... but then again the whole TT ruleset confuses the hell out of me.
Personally I wouldn't even mess with TT "competiveness" right now -- can you just sign up for TTD and run there even if the car is classed in E? Might help you cut into the lap times if you are one of those follow the carrot type of people who need to chase to be faster, etc.
Invest in good brakes (you already are, bring lots of spare rotors for DTC's and set of backup wheels/tires if you don't have ABS), and an AIM Solo and start knocking there on knocking down lap times IMO.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - JustinG - 04-20-2016
Kaan Wrote:"maximum of 180 fwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2450 lbs, will have a new base class of PTD*/TTD* (seven points). Your new base tire size is 245mm.
Or,
maximum of 181 fwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2350 lbs, will have a new base class of PTD**/TTD** (fourteen points). Your new base tire size is 245mm."
Lulz...Suspension/Hoo Hoos/ Aero, you are pretty much a maxed out C car missing about 50hp
Love the voodoo formula
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Kaan - 04-20-2016
i'm already gaming to go to TTD since there are no more E cars
