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Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - HAULN-SS - 07-13-2017
Change the date of your bills being due. Most of them let you do that. Be prepared for the first one to be more as they let it slide.
Basically tough shit on overtime. We've all had to do it at done point. 10 years in i basically work when i want
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - Ryan T - 07-13-2017
Obviously I work in a totally different field from all of you, but our work days are 80% whatever you want them to be and 20% terrible. Generally I go in around 7:30 or 8 and leave by 3:30 or 4. If I want to work an evening, I'll roll in about lunch or so and work till whenever I'm done; sometimes 7pm, sometimes 11pm. So long as we get our work done our management doesn't really care when we are there. And then there is the 20% when you show up at 7:30am with plans to leave early and the shit hits the fan about 3:00pm and you end up working till midnight.
On a similar note to the bill due dates is when your pay day changes. By no means do we live paycheck to paycheck, but my wife and I used to get paid on opposite Fridays and, being creatures of habit, we adapted to that and had all out auto-debits set up on those dates. My wife's company recently changed their setup and now we get paid on the same day, which isn't that big of a deal, but I don't like change.
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - Apoc - 07-13-2017
I get paid once a month. My wife doesn't work. We figured it out.
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - Ryan T - 07-13-2017
Oh it's not that it was hard or anything, just I like things to stay the same. My
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - .RJ - 07-14-2017
Consolidate your loans. Makes life easy.
When you first kick off your career expect to work some shit hours in shit jobs with shit commutes that make you wonder how this is going to benefit you in the long term, use it to start building your network and connections. I havent regularly worked more than 40-45 hours a week, or had longer than a 4 mile commute in a very long time, but I'm also very active at enforcing my work/life balance and more hours than that tips it in the wrong direction in a pretty severe way for me. I have too much other shit I want to do when I leave the office. Its impacted my career growth in some ways but I will take that trade every time. Make sure you are killing it and adding value back to your employer the hours that you are there and it works out just fine and no one will complain that you are knocking off at 4:30 most days. No one gives a shit that you're hanging around the water cooler at 7pm when you came in at 10am, took a 2 hours lunch and didnt do fuckall the rest of the day (working late is working hard, fucking consulting?!?!! wrong).
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - Sully - 07-14-2017
Granted it was a completely different job but I used to work from like 4am to 6pm some days and sometimes longer not counting my 30 min commute each way. Pretty sure it's illegal for any CDL driving job to work you that many hours but since we didn't keep log books (cause we were technically "local" delivery even though I went from rva to hburg everyday) guess they can get away with it.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - .RJ - 07-14-2017
If you arent driving a desk then you can expect any notion of reasonable/consistent hours and commute to go out the window.
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - ScottyB - 07-14-2017
i miss predictable paychecks
.RJ Wrote:Make sure you are killing it and adding value back to your employer
that's really all there is to know. and not just your employer, your coworkers/teammates too. after a while if you become the "gets shit done" guy you can start naming your price or go where you want.
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - Senor_Taylor - 07-14-2017
.RJ Wrote:Consolidate your loans. Makes life easy.
When you first kick off your career expect to work some shit hours in shit jobs with shit commutes that make you wonder how this is going to benefit you in the long term, use it to start building your network and connections. I havent regularly worked more than 40-45 hours a week, or had longer than a 4 mile commute in a very long time, but I'm also very active at enforcing my work/life balance and more hours than that tips it in the wrong direction in a pretty severe way for me. I have too much other shit I want to do when I leave the office. Its impacted my career growth in some ways but I will take that trade every time. Make sure you are killing it and adding value back to your employer the hours that you are there and it works out just fine and no one will complain that you are knocking off at 4:30 most days. No one gives a shit that you're hanging around the water cooler at 7pm when you came in at 10am, took a 2 hours lunch and didnt do fuckall the rest of the day (working late is working hard, fucking consulting?!?!! wrong).
Yeah, I'm right there with you on this. I avoided consulting (and made my job hunt harder) just to avoid this. I like my job, my commute isn't bad (~20 miles in 35 minutes) and right now I have nothing else to do but work hard and save money. It doesn't really bother me to get home so late because I don't really want to do much else except make dinner and relax (a luxury I never had in college). Some times I leave before the other new guys because I also get in an hour before they do and do a ton of work in that hour. I've already been discussing with my team lead and manager that I'm ready for bigger tasks and they have already been assigning me big projects. I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I definitely see the benefit of working hard early. Because of all of this, I don't really worry if they walk by and see me in here for a second or if I disappear for an hour. They know I'm getting my work done.
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - rherold9 - 07-14-2017
Senor_Taylor Wrote:Some times I leave before the other new guys because I also get in an hour before they do and do a ton of work in that hour. I've already been discussing with my team lead and manager that I'm ready for bigger tasks and they have already been assigning me big projects. I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I definitely see the benefit of working hard early. Because of all of this, I don't really worry if they walk by and see me in here for a second or if I disappear for an hour. They know I'm getting my work done.
Well you are already setting yourself up for success with having a good first impression for hard working on your job just be sure that's not the only thing you are focusing on in the work place. Opportunities/advancement/being happy isn't always the hardest working people, unfortunately.... This all depends on your company/management though.
You know what really grinds my gears?! - D_Eclipse9916 - 07-14-2017
Deloitte is 45 hours minimum to hit your utilization target, part of the up or out mentality. Been offered direct positions multiple times (I am internal finance and don't need to meet utilization) and rarely work those hours.
I have given up a lot of salary over the years for work life balance. Sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it's not. Things are going to get a bit tougher with the wife not working but we are also moving to a cheaper area.
Most my competent friends have edged me out in salary; make sure your ego can handle it. They are also the same ones that bitch constantly about 60-80 hour work weeks and working weekends. They will be partners and tons of money; by the time they are too old to enjoy it
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - WRXtranceformed - 07-14-2017
Not much to add on the utilities, other than the fact that most utilities have a "base fee" that you have to pay no matter how much you use if, even if you don't use it at all. The base monthly fee for the water/waste bill in our new county is ridiculous, the bill starts at like $30.00
I feel you on the work hours thing, it's just the nature of the beast if you're driven to succeed and you work here in America (especially on the east coast). You're going to have to put in the hours when you are early and mid-level in your career. Count yourself fortunate you haven't had to have a lot of business travel. Aside from the long hours I put in the office when I worked in direct sales, with my crazy travel schedule I felt like my work days were mega long...layovers in airports responding to emails and taking calls, in-flight connected to wifi answering emails and working on presentations until late. Your work-life balance really starts to erode when you have to fly a lot for a living, IMO.
I've gotten better now at actually using my days off thanks to the more laid-back culture of my current company but I manage a team on the west coast so I am usually still responding to emails / taking domestic and international calls until late night. Money never sleeps so they say. The benefit of working at home though is its a lot easier to get to my desk at 8:00 than it used to be.
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - Apoc - 07-14-2017
I used to have to charge 45 hours not including lunch when I worked for a company with a lot of government contracts. I almost always ended up eating lunch at my desk and working 8-5.
Now I do whatever I want, when I want. Some days I work 6 hours, some days in work 10. Sometimes I have a late night conference call and some days I leave at noon to go to a baseball game. As long as I get my shit done, no one cares.
I busted my ass in my last role at Amazon and it took a toll on my health. I did this of my own accord, because I had something to prove to myself. I stepped outta that job earlier this year and now have one that allows me to be the parent I want to be. I don't make any less, but it will likely lengthen the time until the next promotion. I'm convinced I get paid too much, so that doesn't bother me a whole lot.
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - .RJ - 07-14-2017
Senor_Taylor Wrote:Yeah, I'm right there with you on this. I avoided consulting (and made my job hunt harder) just to avoid this.
The idea of a recent college grad in any kind of consulting gives me the lulz :lol:
I'm in a consulting role now, and I'm way out of my depth sometimes.
Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - Senor_Taylor - 07-14-2017
.RJ Wrote:You don't trust a 21 year old to advise people twice their age on how to run their company?Senor_Taylor Wrote:Yeah, I'm right there with you on this. I avoided consulting (and made my job hunt harder) just to avoid this.
The idea of a recent college grad in any kind of consulting gives me the lulz :lol:
I'm in a consulting role now, and I'm way out of my depth sometimes.
Also, thanks for the responses everyone. It's nice to know people who have seen and done it all.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - Apoc - 07-14-2017
Someone just sent me this article this AM. Good for those of you with or considering families.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears?! - Steve85 - 07-14-2017
When I first started it was it was 8-5 in the office every day with a one hour lunch plus whatever extra time to finish the proposal on time. That meant a lot of longer hours in the beginning. 9 years later and it's work from home with the only requirement to record 40 hours. We have a "general" code that essentially means we are between projects. My schedule also ends up being a few hours one day and then 10-12 the next depending on the stage of the proposal and inputs from the technical team and subs. I've gone couple weeks without really having much to do and I've been in the office until 2AM.
Boss is very good about making sure we take the personal time when it's slow (getting away from office/desk without actually spending PTO). The deadlines are absolute and as long as we are complete, accurate, compliant and on time, there isn't much to bitch about it. I've always made sure to ask for more and more complex projects and put the extra time in as needed to deliver a good product and increase my visibility. It's been good for career development, keeps things interesting and paid off with the most recent promotion (out of cycle) and 10% bump coming earlier this week! I watch those around me and probably have one more level before it's "job ahead of family" in order to succeed and have no real interest there.
And for the uninitiated, here's the math on OT (more specifically "UCOT" - UnCompensated OT) and why your employer likes it especially when competing for business:
A typical 40 hr week over 52 weeks means there are 2080 productive hours per year (this is the "standard"). If you work 45/week there are 2,340. Compare the hourly rate at say 60K/yr: (there is some fudge here, weeks off on leave, you don't typically take more than 8 hours of leave per day, so you're actual average would be slightly less than 45)
60K / 2080 = 28.85/hr
60K / 2340 = 25.64/hr
In order to provide you fringe benefits (taxes, retirement, leave), working space, HR and other support functions, your cost to the employer is the hourly rate x the cost of those things. A reasonable multiplier would be 1.7. More math:
28.85 x 1.7 = 49.05
25.64 x 1.7 = 43.59
Take that $6/hr times say 35 people and over 5 years, the savings is over $2M on the price tag. This is aside from the obvious "less people to do same amount of work" implications of OT.
You know what really grinds my gears?! - ViPER1313 - 11-28-2017
People who respond to a car ad with “what is the lowest you can go on the price.”
Go suck a fat one. Full price for you just for asking that.
You know what really grinds my gears?! - JPolen01 - 11-28-2017
I'll echo that with people who say give me your best price before you even give them a price. Fuck you! The price I give you is the best price. It's driven by years worth of data, market conditions, and algorithms created by some Harvard graduate we paid way too much money to consult on. I'm not going to give you a price that is totally out of line with the market you asshat.
You know what really grinds my gears?! - ViPER1313 - 11-28-2017
Fucking seriously. Straight to trash.
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2 hours after no response, another clever email. Are you still interested? Are you really? Da-seated! Del-weated! DelTaco?
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