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- JackoliciousLegs - 09-02-2008
Since this is the politico thread of the moment...
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- G.Irish - 09-02-2008
LMAO! Boy, now that'd be a juicy scandal.
- Kaan - 09-02-2008
i was wrong...
- JackoliciousLegs - 09-02-2008
Apoc Wrote:<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dwzk3g-lB0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dwzk3g-lB0</a><!-- m -->Ole Wrote:Which would be????
I'm guessing at the top of Jacks list are:
-Thinks R v W should be overturned
-Believes creationism should be taught in schools
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
She has a point though...
- Ole - 09-02-2008
Some of you folks crack me up. Her daughter/son (besides the VPILF comment) is more important to some of you than her executive experience as governor. She brings more of a change potential than Obama and has more experience at bringing change to government, yet she is only the VP Candidate. The Obama organization first tried to attack her lack of experience (immediately after the announcement) and then realized that wouldn't work since she had more. Now the result is to smear. This is the sign of desperation.
I have remained relatively silent on my position in this because I had not completely made up my mind and still haven't. I just can't believe the Democrats don't have a 20 point lead. They were given this on a silver platter due to Bush's poor approval ratings and yet one week after the DNC they have a whopping 5 point lead?
Obama made a miserable choice for VP as far as I am concerened by not choosing Hillary (I voted for Hillary in the primary not McCain or any other republican). Hillary had the experience that I wanted to see. She has seen what to do and what not to do (screw the interns).
I do give most of you credit for being informed and being active (more than I have seen for these protestors at both conventions that have no clue who Biden, Cheney, Rice or Crist are). Keep the discussion coming.
God Bless!
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
Ole Wrote:Some of you folks crack me up. Her daughter/son (besides the VPILF comment) is more important to some of you than her executive experience as governor.
Politics are boring. Scandals are entertaining! Why else would every major news outlet spend an entire week on the Anna Nicole death? :lol:
FWIW, I think the strong response by liberal activists is based on a disgust for the other party and not as a way to "help Obama win". They hate W, hate Republicans and hate McCain so they'll take every piece of evidence they can to make them look bad.
I see it more as talking shit about the other person's football team than really trying to prove your team is better with facts. It happens on both sides and it's generally a byproduct of the realization that you're probably not going to change the minds of a lot of people.
- .RJ - 09-02-2008
Ole Wrote:Hillary had the experience that I wanted to see
The experience of... not getting anything done in congress, excessive spending, financial scandals, and poor partisan relations? Sounds more like Bush v3 than McCain ever has.
- Ole - 09-02-2008
She did more than Obama....
- HAULN-SS - 09-02-2008
They can't very well say "look at the scoreboard" when a democratic congress has lower approval ratings than W.
- .RJ - 09-02-2008
Ole Wrote:She did more than Obama....
I'm not so sure on that one.
Article on Obama's political history - its a long read, but good
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- G.Irish - 09-02-2008
Ole Wrote:She did more than Obama....While they were both in Congress Obama got more legislation passed, and more significant legislation passed. You can look it up on the Library of Congress website.
- ViPER1313 - 09-02-2008
rabble rabble rabble
- Kaan - 09-02-2008
My favorite new radio commercial  if you vote for McCain hell make abortion illegal! like he can do that alone
- NTIman - 09-02-2008
Ole Wrote:Some of you folks crack me up. Her daughter/son (besides the VPILF comment) is more important to some of you than her executive experience as governor. She brings more of a change potential than Obama and has more experience at bringing change to government, yet she is only the VP Candidate. The Obama organization first tried to attack her lack of experience (immediately after the announcement) and then realized that wouldn't work since she had more. Now the result is to smear. This is the sign of desperation.
I have remained relatively silent on my position in this because I had not completely made up my mind and still haven't. I just can't believe the Democrats don't have a 20 point lead. They were given this on a silver platter due to Bush's poor approval ratings and yet one week after the DNC they have a whopping 5 point lead?
Obama made a miserable choice for VP as far as I am concerened by not choosing Hillary (I voted for Hillary in the primary not McCain or any other republican). Hillary had the experience that I wanted to see. She has seen what to do and what not to do (screw the interns).
I do give most of you credit for being informed and being active (more than I have seen for these protestors at both conventions that have no clue who Biden, Cheney, Rice or Crist are). Keep the discussion coming.
God Bless!
I agree completely with what you have said. I'm an Obama supporter, and how he is not blowing away McCain right now, I have no idea. I don't think that McCain is a bad choice, but given the last 8 years, I don't see how a democrat could be doing so bad.
I think Obama was unbelievably screwed no matter who he picked for VP though. If he had picked Hillary, then conservatives would have said that he himself picked Hillary, because he knew he was weak in experience and weak in terms of getting votes from blue collar voters. But they can also bash him now that he didn't pick Hillary, given the support she had during the primaries.
- .RJ - 09-02-2008
Kaan Wrote:My favorite new radio commercial  if you vote for McCain hell make abortion illegal! like he can do that alone
The TV ad with the mother holding a small child was better - "if you vote for McCain he's going to come and take my little boy away and send him to Iraq!".
Our military is a volunteer service, but who's counting.
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
Any chance the gap isn't larger because he's black? I think race is a pretty stupid discussion topic when it comes to politics but I believe there are a decent number of people in America that are hesitant to vote in the first black president. (Although I argue that he's just as much white as he is black.)
I can't really fault either party for dramatizing the stances of the other. I mean they wouldn't exist if they didn't work, right? I wish we didn't have to resort to that, but we always end up there because Americans will believe anything they see on TV.
- Evan - 09-02-2008
If he was'nt black he wouldnt even be in the race.
White guilt, political correctness, and the media love affair with him is the only reason a first term senator with a questionable background is anywhere close to becoming president.
Did you count how many times "historic" was said during the coverage of his DNC speach? It was disgusting.
- Apoc - 09-02-2008
Evan Wrote:If he was'nt black he wouldnt even be in the race.Just because white 38 year olds feel guilty doesn't mean white 68 year olds support him.
There's a joke about affirmative action in there somewhere.It's disappointing you think that though. I can agree with you on some other points but maybe I'm living in lalaland because I like to think it's in spite of him being black, not because of it.
- ViPER1313 - 09-02-2008
Evan Wrote:If he was'nt black he wouldnt even be in the race.
White guilt, political correctness, and the media love affair with him is the only reason a first term senator with a questionable background is anywhere close to becoming president.
Did you count how many times "historic" was said during the coverage of his DNC speach? It was disgusting.
Where do you get this stuff. Do you record every Bill O'reilly, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News program broadcast, edit the most ignorant parts of all of them together and then spit it back out?
"White guilt" - because it's mostly whites who are voting for Obama? Oh wait.....
"political correctness" - I don't even know what that means or has to do with Obama getting nominated.
"media love affair" - Why? Because Obama was in a hotly contested primary and was covered more initially (along with Hillary). Boo hoo.
"first term senator with a questionable background" - still better than a 70+ year old POW who is missing at least 2 or 3 bolts where it counts. His hasty response to the Georgia conflict (even before the White House condemned Russia) shows just how level headed he is.
"historic" - it is.