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- navin - 12-08-2006
Yeaah, my car kissed his bumper and the dude went ape-shit. I guess I'd pissed if my new 350z got bumped by a POS hatch.
- Beej - 12-08-2006
Anyone who says 712's are even remotely useful in snow is lying. I got stuck going downhill with those things back in college. In Stonegate during those massive snowfalls, I'd get a running start from the bottom of the hill, and if I was lucky, I'd make it halfway up there.
Not saying it wasn't kinda fun though.
I wonder how the STi will do with the RE070's if it's still around come snowfall...
- ScottyB - 12-09-2006
Beej Wrote:I wonder how the STi will do with the RE070's if it's still around come snowfall...
the way Maeng owned a mud pit like the day after he bought his, i have a feeling it would lay the smack down on anything under 3 or 4 inches
- Ryan T - 12-09-2006
I drove last winter on 712s in the supra with an open diff and didn't have any real problems. I was actually impressed with the snow/rain traction of the 712s, at least in comparison to their dry traction.
I'm running Nitto 555's now. Doubt they will be as good as the 712s in the snow, but we'll find out.
- mrbaggio - 12-09-2006
Apoc Wrote:Mike Wrote:you need to work on your sarcasm if that's what that was intended as.
Fair enough... although everything I say should be assumed as sarcasm unless otherwise noted.
He said AS suck so based on the Tirerack rating, they suck less than his. I'm not elitest enough to actually think his tires just plain suck.
It is not surprising you change your argument when it is clear you are wrong.
Nothing in your early posts was sarcastic in tone. I was looking for feedback on a simple question. Your replies were condescending and unwanted. Not to mention you successfully disproved your own point with your own data.
I never mentioned TireRack rating as a basis for comparing tires. You quoted the subjective TireRack ratings. You posted the unreferenced graphs, which countered your own argument.
Next time you think you have a point and want to postjust let it go. Chances are you will be wrong. Plus I don't think anyone here cares what you have to say anyway.
- D_Eclipse9916 - 12-09-2006
Ryan T Wrote:I drove last winter on 712s in the supra with an open diff and didn't have any real problems. I was actually impressed with the snow/rain traction of the 712s, at least in comparison to their dry traction.
I'm running Nitto 555's now. Doubt they will be as good as the 712s in the snow, but we'll find out.
ditto
- Nis01 - 12-09-2006
Currently on 712s... and haven't had a chance to test the snow handling yet :?
RE070s in the snow... not a good idea. Too many stories with bad endings.
- Apoc - 12-09-2006
mrbaggio Wrote:Nothing in your early posts was sarcastic in tone.
Apoc Wrote:mrbaggio Wrote:The tires I got are summer only.
Seems like a good choice... what with summer in full swing and all.
Really? Seems like the first post that started the whole thing was in fact very sarcastic. It wasn't obvious I was messing around when I said "uberl33t tir3$"? Maybe you shouldn't take everything you read on the internet so personally.
It wasn't until you said AS suck that I went on to disprove that. I don't see where I changed my argument at all. Unreferenced graphs? Right-click, properties for the reference (Tirerack in-house testing)... although I must have landed in opposite land because I can't figure out how a chart showing that AS don't suck disproves my point that they don't.
Anyway, enjoy your tires. [sarcasm]I'll be sure to include my sarcasm tags from now on.[/sarcasm]
edit: if i put that in sarcastic tags then I guess it's not really sarcasm then is it? oh the humanity...
- mrbaggio - 12-09-2006
The best I can do is restate what I have already said because you must have missed it.
I said AS tires are a waste. You pay more and get less. I donÔÇÖt mind giving up the single digit number of days it snows in VA for superior grip based on tire price.
You claim that is false. To support your claim you provided two graphs and two links. Let's look at the links first. They are completely subjective. Subjective data gives no credibility to your argument. Links - GONE. Now to your graphs, I said you must compare like tires, or tires that have approximately the same price. All of the tires on your graph cost more than mine. The closest you come to my tires price range is $20+ per tire. Those tires still have a lower rating on your graph. Two glaring errors pop out after evaluating your graphs. First they can not be used as a comparison to my tires. They are vastly more expensive. Expensive tire graph - GONE. The one tire that does come close to mine in price does not perform as well. Cheaper AS tires - GONE. What did your data prove? The conclusion I draw is more expensive tires perform better than cheaper ones. This is no ground breaking discovery, and it is not at all what my original post was about. I wanted tires with good grip at the lowest cost (they also had to come from the Firestone store, but that does not matter).
I apologize for my earlier comment about not wanting you to post anymore. It retrospect you helped solidify my purchase. You proved as AS tire approach the price range of my tires they perform worse. Unfortunately that was not you original intent.
- Apoc - 12-09-2006
My dad can beat up your dad!
- mrbaggio - 12-09-2006
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- Evan - 12-10-2006
if you "need" more grip from a tire on the street than a standard allseason gives you, you drive like a complete dipshit
any allseason tire has more than enough grip to drive like a jackass
- HAULN-SS - 12-11-2006
Did you just say the same thing twice?
- G.Irish - 12-11-2006
Evan Wrote:if you "need" more grip from a tire on the street than a standard allseason gives you, you drive like a complete dipshitHuh? If you have a performance-oriented car chances are you care about the handling of the car. You can't get a very good all season at the same price as some of the super-bang-for-the-buck performance tires so why would you put a crappy tire on the car for the rare occasion that you are forced to go out in the snow?
any allseason tire has more than enough grip to drive like a jackass
I don't think anyone would say they "need" more grip than a regular all season but for your driving enjoyment it's probably not the right choice.
- Evan - 12-11-2006
you dont need a summer only tire for a car to "handle" well (which is an arbitrary concept in the first place, especially on the street)
I have a performance oriented car.
I drive on old dry rotted goodyear all season tires.
I can still take any interstate exit ramp at 2x the posted limit.
if you need any more than that for "driving enjoyment" you (let me repeat myself) drive like a dipshit.
eschewing an all season tire for the "rare occasion" that you will be forced to go out in the snow is like not wearing a condom for the rare occasion that you fuck a girl with an STD.
It only takes once to fuck your shit up.
- G.Irish - 12-11-2006
Says the man who used to equip his WRX with Falken Azenis.
Let me repeat myself, I don't think anyone would argue they "need" a summer tire just like no one here "needs" a sports car when a Geo Metro will get you from point A to point B just the same.
I just don't think it snows enough here for it to be that big of an issue. Sure, you shouldn't be running around on Hoosiers but if you've got a fwd or awd car and you're running on something that has a bit of tread like a 712 you'll be fine. I got around fine in my Integra with that tire when I lived in Harrisonburg where it snowed a lot more than it does here.
- Evan - 12-11-2006
G.Irish Wrote:Says the man who used to equip his WRX with Falken Azenis.On the track and autoX I sure did, and for the daily driving i had stock wheels with RE-92 allseasons. Thanks for proving my point.
dont get me wrong, I dont give enough of a shit about what tires anyone buys to continue this argument. Buy whatever you want and pray for no-snow.
ps- Ive heard plenty of first hand stories (and seen plenty of summer tired cars stuck) about using summer tires in the snow (even surprise snowfall). Ask karen next time you see her about the time she got caught in snow on 712s.
- Apoc - 12-11-2006
Are you sure? It's such a fun conversation!
- G.Irish - 12-11-2006
Quote:ps- Ive heard plenty of first hand stories (and seen plenty of summer tired cars stuck) about using summer tires in the snow (even surprise snowfall). Ask karen next time you see her about the time she got caught in snow on 712s.What was Karen driving? Anyway there's only one way to settle this...712 Snow Battle Stage! We'll need two STi's.
- .RJ - 12-11-2006
The 400,000 mile camaro.
Arguably a poor example for this discussion.
But what do I know, i've never gotten stuck in the snow, in any car, on any tires.