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- Evan - 08-28-2006
Dragon Wrote:At this point I don't care anymore, I'm just going to fill the party with my coworkers and friends outside of MM, they're more likely to participate anyway.easy, no need to "fill" anything. The cookoff has always been more of a NoVA gang type thing than a big MM wide event. Of course it is open to that if everyone wants to come, but Im not depending on tons of people to make it a fun party. It will be, and always has been that, regardless.
- JohnC - 08-28-2006
Kaan Wrote:Channing... he's stronger than he looks when he's had some beers in him...
Bah! Channing is a big pushover.
Until he stabs you.
- G.Irish - 08-28-2006
Evan Wrote:Dragon Wrote:At this point I don't care anymore, I'm just going to fill the party with my coworkers and friends outside of MM, they're more likely to participate anyway.easy, no need to "fill" anything. The cookoff has always been more of a NoVA gang type thing than a big MM wide event. Of course it is open to that if everyone wants to come, but Im not depending on tons of people to make it a fun party. It will be, and always has been that, regardless.
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Matt there's no need to take it personally even if none of the students show up. Remember how difficult it was to get people from NOVA to come to any of the MM parties while I still went there? 4 hours roundtrip is a lot of distance, I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to stick around at JMU where its 60% women for 0 hours roundtrip.
- Jewels - 08-28-2006
If anybody from JMU comes up for the chili cookoff and needs a place to stay we will be more than happy to bring the durango and haul you all to our apartment. We can't keep a big group, but we'll make room for as many as we can fit. I am really hoping at least a few of you all decide to come. I know I'm looking forward to it.
- Dragon - 08-28-2006
G.Irish Wrote:I'm not taking it personally. I was told this is doubling as our house warming party so I'm treating it as such, which means I'll have a lot of my friends there. If students don't want to come, it's no big deal, there will still be plenty of people there, I'm just saying I'm not going to bother to push this thing here anymore.Evan Wrote:Dragon Wrote:At this point I don't care anymore, I'm just going to fill the party with my coworkers and friends outside of MM, they're more likely to participate anyway.easy, no need to "fill" anything. The cookoff has always been more of a NoVA gang type thing than a big MM wide event. Of course it is open to that if everyone wants to come, but Im not depending on tons of people to make it a fun party. It will be, and always has been that, regardless.
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Matt there's no need to take it personally even if none of the students show up. Remember how difficult it was to get people from NOVA to come to any of the MM parties while I still went there? 4 hours roundtrip is a lot of distance, I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to stick around at JMU where its 60% women for 0 hours roundtrip.
Actually G it wasn't that hard to get NOVA people to come to the MM parties, considering at the time the NOVA people consisted of myself and bizzle pretty much. If I wasn't working I was there.
- bimmerboodle - 08-28-2006
Maengelito Wrote:Show us the way senseiwhite97dsm Wrote:As far as the direction of the club, with new members diversification comes. No matter what the motorsports aspect of the club will be there, and will be kept as strong as possible. But we must realize that expansion leads to new interests, For example bling and what not, we just need to realize that no matter the interests of certain club members we are all Auto Enthusiasts and love cars and their capabilities.
the problem with this is we were all bling ricers at one point. okay scratch that, some of us still are. my integra had big shiny wheels, blue acura badges, hyperwhite turn signal bulbs, lowering springs with 100k+ mile stock shocks because i'll admit, i thought it looked cool. but there's a natural progression with car enthusiasts. some dont realize their full potential, some dont even know the next step and some think the bottom is the top. this is a common phenomenon. i give you the pyramid of speed. most of you probably have already seen this:
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i hope none of you are street racers or freeway racers, but i think the mindset is similar in that buying parts for a car show is different than buying functional parts. example, the fire extinguisher in some cars makes it look like a "race car" because they might be in such immediate danger that they need to squirt themselves with a fire extinguisher much quicker than they can get out of a car nevermind that the extinguisher is mounted in a custom plexiglass box in the backseat. i just want to limit the amount of time an MMer spends on the bottom levels of this pyramid. its not that we look down upon younger students because they want a new carbon fiber hood or other bling part, but its just that the OGs were all there once and realized the error of our ways. we want to impart knowledge the same way that i saw the light when i was first coming to MM track events
- bimmerboodle - 08-28-2006
Maengelito Wrote:who will be the first to bounc off Kaan you meanKaan Wrote:we have a huge yard for football and stuff... i promise you'll have a good time!
who will be the first to tackle kaan?
- Kaan - 08-28-2006
damn guys i'm not that big... you guys are going to force me to pick up an eating disorder with these comments!
- Maengelito - 08-28-2006
bimmerboodle Wrote:Show us the way sensei
hell, i'm not at the top yet, but there are quite a few on this board that are. i'm on my way though
- BLINGMW - 08-28-2006
Some of this has been said by others, some hasn't. But here's how I feel.
I don't really care who thinks they don't like who on this forum, and if there's any bad blood between us, I certianly never have seen it at an event or party. There's plenty of people I have yet to meet that are on this forum, and even if someone soudns like a jackass here, it's almost always different in person. So I hope you too all take most of what's said on this forum with a grain of salt. Of course, I haven't been around in VA much in the last 3 years. So for the most part, I don't really know WTF we're talking about and it seems to have been blown a little out of proportion.
The only thing I really care to say is that I hope the current crop of officers feel like they have some duty to pull students away from jackassery and wasting money on bling. If we're still having car shows, parties, whatever, that's great. I agree each crop of officers should get to make their mark on the club and find new directions in which to take it, especially if that's what the current crop of students want. And we should be having fun! But if the core reason that the club is called Madison MOTORSPORTS is comepletely lost, then we've all failed.
I don't mean this to offend anyone, but if you have absolutely no interest in ever going to the track, attending an autocross, drag racing, rallycrossing, helping at events, watching races, studying setup and driving theory, learning more about your car/bike/truck, how to work on it, and how to make the most of its potential, nothing like that, then I wish you'd do us a favor and go start your own club. If you don't know a damn thing about motorsports, or your car, and you don't know any of us, but you've heard of the club, and have some vague idea of what it is that we do, and maybe that's something you'd like to do, then I hope you hang around. And I hope MM always makes it a goal to greet you and show you what some of us have learned.
Oh. The biggest thing that's eating me right now is the "campus events" section of this forum. I wish it didn't exist. Heck, I probably would have stopped by the party last night on my way through h-burg. Hell, I always stop there for gas, maybe a cruise through campus, a visit to Mt. ISAT and "my" solar panels, and this time for some good 'ol Dave's Taverna. mmmmm...... But I didn't know about it! Why? Because there's a section on this forum where I'm clearly not welcome, so I don't bother reading it. And I could certianly see how a new student/member would think the same way about the rest of the forum.
- D_Eclipse9916 - 08-28-2006
Wow you all are taking this in a different way then the forum was intended to have. The campus event forum is for events that happen at H-burg. That means no track events and it means going out to dinner, parties, cruises, and photo-ops.
We did not say current students forum, it is campus event's forum. No one said none of you are invited. I think that section only adds to getting thr group together more.
Some of you know, some of you dont know, but I go to autocrosses plenty and am getting into track at a faster pace than most people, yet I do think that having car shows, photo ops, and parties IS ONLY a way to get the group closer together. If I have a fun time at a party with someone, I will more likely go out to the track WITH them because I am comfortable with that person.
You guys are viewing it as we want to replace track with parties, but more like add parties to track time. Anything I post about parties, anyone part of madison motorsports is invited alumni or not.
- BLINGMW - 08-28-2006
Like I said, you have every right to find new directions or add to the events the club does. That's great, at least that's how I feel. But while I've heard some mention of alum being unwelcoming, and that we should bend over backwards to drag a student out of bed, make him breakfast, and give him a ride to the track, I don't see how it's very welcoming to have an events section of the forum that we can't post in. So I guess I mis-spoke. It's not the "campus events" section that bothers me so much, it's that we can't post there. What if I want to mention a campus event? What if I want to chime in and say, hey, see you guys there?
- white_2kgt - 08-28-2006
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:We did not say current students forum, it is campus event's forum. No one said none of you are invited. I think that section only adds to getting thr group together more.
Well, the fact that we can't post in that forum kinna makes it seem like a current students forum to me, but what do I know?
- Dragon - 08-28-2006
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:I think that section only adds to getting thr group together more.Unless "thr group" you're speaking of is current students only, then I don't see how having a section where only current students can post helps the group as a whole.
Personally I have no desire to attend campus events, but that's cause I'm one of those "nearly 30" yr old guys, plus I never attended JMU so I don't have the ties to it that some do. A lot of the Alumni though loved JMU and love to spend time there so you're adding to the gap that's forming between the OGs/Alumni and the Current Students by having a section such as this.
- Evan - 08-28-2006
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Wow you all are taking this in a different way then the forum was intended to have. The campus event forum is for events that happen at H-burg. That means no track events and it means going out to dinner, parties, cruises, and photo-ops.Everyone knows what its for and why its there.
The question is why is it separate from the rest of the events? Why is it split out? Are they not ALL madison motorsports events?
Its things like these combined with reduced student turnout at motorsports events that make the alumni justifiable concern over the interest of the current students in motorsports
- Sijray21 - 08-28-2006
Evan Wrote:The question is why is it separate from the rest of the events? Why is it split out? Are they not ALL madison motorsports events?
Its things like these combined with reduced student turnout at motorsports events that make the alumni justifiable concern over the interest of the current students in motorsports
i disagree. i do think it's somewhat necessary for the forum to exist for the current students that see the forums and are not sure where to turn - getting lost with the massive amounts of posts on this forum. Especially those who don't check the forum every day like most of us posting here do. Since there are a lot more alumni and they're mostly pretty active in MM i think it's a good idea for those in hburg and/or on campus to unite for events and such without having to sift through the vast amount of threads created by alot of us in the northern va / DC area.
Not being able to post if you're not a hburg local or JMU student....that's questionable, i just think more (any) moderation is needed.
- Kaan - 08-28-2006
technically i'm a current student of JMU... enrolled in a grad program. grant me access! plus my JAC card still gets me student discounts at movies!
- G.Irish - 08-28-2006
Sijray21 Wrote:Evan Wrote:The question is why is it separate from the rest of the events? Why is it split out? Are they not ALL madison motorsports events?
Its things like these combined with reduced student turnout at motorsports events that make the alumni justifiable concern over the interest of the current students in motorsports
i disagree. i do think it's somewhat necessary for the forum to exist for the current students that see the forums and are not sure where to turn - getting lost with the massive amounts of posts on this forum. Especially those who don't check the forum every day like most of us posting here do. Since there are a lot more alumni and they're mostly pretty active in MM i think it's a good idea for those in hburg and/or on campus to unite for events and such without having to sift through the vast amount of threads created by alot of us in the northern va / DC area.
:?: Massive amounts of threads in the Events section? On page 1 it goes all the way back to mid June and page 2 goes back to March. The Events forum moves pretty slowly in comparison to most forums I'm on. Now I agree that threads might need more moderation to keep things on topic but that forum is not moving too fast at all.
- Andy - 08-28-2006
Where are the current students? I haven't seen any officers post except Goodspeed and DJ is doing is damndest to hold up the current students side.
Where are the officers? If the new forum is a point of contention, where is the creator to address the alumni concern?
This thread is supposed to be 2 way conversation so we can address problems but so far it's a 1 sided affair and please don't say this is your first week of class and you're busy cause most of us work 50-60 hour weeks.
- Maengelito - 08-28-2006
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Wow you all are taking this in a different way then the forum was intended to have. The campus event forum is for events that happen at H-burg. That means no track events and it means going out to dinner, parties, cruises, and photo-ops.
We did not say current students forum, it is campus event's forum. No one said none of you are invited. I think that section only adds to getting thr group together more.
i think thats crap because it seems as only current students can post to it. pete lives in harrisonburg and i dont think he posts in it. correct me if i'm wrong about that. also there are events in there that arent even in harrisonburg. if fostering relationships between current students and alumni is the concern, making a seperate forum just for students is going to only have negative effects. its like saying that the civil rights movement helped black and white people get along by giving black people their own bathrooms, water fountains and places to sit on the bus. i know thats an extreme example, but you see my point
Quote: Some of you know, some of you dont know, but I go to autocrosses plenty and am getting into track at a faster pace than most people, yet I do think that having car shows, photo ops, and parties IS ONLY a way to get the group closer together. If I have a fun time at a party with someone, I will more likely go out to the track WITH them because I am comfortable with that person.
DJ, you are one of the few that actually does participate in the MOTORSPORTS aspect of madison motorsports and i applaud you for that. i have no problems with the social aspect of MM, hell if you look back far enough, you can find the OG's exploits during parties and social gatherings while still at JMU. having car shows was my idea originally (its my goddaMMn car show) and was mainly put together by only the OGs in the span of like 2 weeks. i feel that the car show's purpose is similar to that of hyperfest's except in a much small scale. you bring the ricers and show cars out and let them know about MM and what we do. get them exposed to driving cars instead of showing cars and you see a natural progression.