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- Maengelito - 11-13-2007
kinda OT with cars, but wasnt fanta invented in the 40s in germany when coca cola stopped selling to the nazis but invented fanta to keep them happy? its something like that, i think
- Ginger - 11-13-2007
Don't you wanna wanna
Don't you wanna wanna
wanna fanta?
- Evan - 11-13-2007
Apoc Wrote:Well what about BMW making engines for the Luftwaffe and the subsequent production ban imposed by the Allies after the war?you dont see the difference between nationalizing a country's pre-existing industrial capacity for a war effort and a company/car that is the brainchild of and founded directly by a murderous dictator?
Personally I dont care, I just think its funny.
- Goodspeed - 11-13-2007
Maengelito Wrote:toyota SUPRA. goodspeed, go clean your shorts.
mazda MIATA. Maeng, go do a dude in the butt.
Seriously now, if you had 25k, would you immediately run to your local Hyundai dealer and put yourself on the list for a new Tiburon or whatever the hell this thing is? Or would you buy a slightly used 350Z and have some money left over for tires or something. This is another hot topic MM thread that will ultimately lead nowhere, because for all your rants and raves, none of you will buy this car.
I think the styling looks like ass, the brand name makes me vomit, and the fact of the matter is this: a 300 hp RWD car, new or used, is not uncommon these days, and this car isn't special or revolutionary or exciting or good looking enough to sway me to it or Hyundai.
- .RJ - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:I don't see how anyone would buy this car without knowing that they'd come off as a cheap ass trying to look cool in their 335i wannabe.
You're also making the assumption that most people care what they are "trying to look" like in their cars and for 99% of the general populace this isnt true. Not everyone is so vain as to not possibly be seen as driving anything other than a supra :lol: Hell, they may look at you as "trying to look cool" in your 20 year old supra. Just trying to put that into perspective...
From my point of view, and probably most 'enthusiasts' as well, I cannot comprehend the car purchasing process for most people. I have no idea what draws people to Azteks, Kias, or french cars, but people still buy them and if the Hyundai coupe thing comes to market then there will certainly be buyers for it. I dont think I would seriously consider one, partially driven by the stigma associated with the brand. If the car turned out to be a serious performer though and had good looks then that could change. Just like the new Buell 1125R - everything looks great on paper, but I still think its absolutely ugly - and thats totally subjective.
- HAULN-SS - 11-13-2007
-goes to buell's website to check it out-
- Ginger - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:This is another hot topic MM thread that will ultimately lead nowhere, because for all your rants and raves, none of you will buy this car.
So you're allowed to make gross generalizations to defend your negative opinion of it... but if we say you're doing it, and that it might not be an entirely bad car, then we're 'ranting and raving' and are irrelevant because we're not going to buy it?
- G.Irish - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:Maengelito Wrote:toyota SUPRA. goodspeed, go clean your shorts.
mazda MIATA. Maeng, go do a dude in the butt.
Seriously now, if you had 25k, would you immediately run to your local Hyundai dealer and put yourself on the list for a new Tiburon or whatever the hell this thing is? Or would you buy a slightly used 350Z and have some money left over for tires or something. This is another hot topic MM thread that will ultimately lead nowhere, because for all your rants and raves, none of you will buy this car.
I think the styling looks like ass, the brand name makes me vomit, and the fact of the matter is this: a 300 hp RWD car, new or used, is not uncommon these days, and this car isn't special or revolutionary or exciting or good looking enough to sway me to it or Hyundai.
Well I look at it this way. At one time Japanese products were considered to be cheap knockoffs of American products (and they were). There was a stigma attached to anything from Japan, including their cars and bikes. But eventually the big Japanese companies we know today improved and changed perceptions so now Toyota and Honda are two of the best names in the automotive industry.
Now look at Korean products. 10 to 15 years ago Samsung was considered a junk brand. Sony was the incumbent and enjoyed much more profitability and brand strength than Samsung. Over the years Samsung invested more money into research and design and improved their products. They took a big gamble on LCD's and now they are the number one supplier of LCD's, they even supply Sony. Now, even though Samsung is not as big as Sony, they make more raw profit than Sony.
Now looking at Hyundai, at one time they were a joke, but over the years they've been steadily improving. They may not be totally there yet but this car is another step in the right direction. Maybe few of us will buy it, but a brand is not built over night and perceptions don't change overnight either. Hyundai has improved leaps and bounds and its good that they're going in the right direction with this car. I don't think they need to change their name at all, they're working hard to earn a good reputation and I think it would be a testament to their hard work if they totally turned around the perception of their brand.
If nothing else, Hyundai is making a car that neither Honda or Toyota has bothered with.
- Goodspeed - 11-13-2007
asteele2 Wrote:So you're allowed to make gross generalizations to defend your negative opinion of it... but if we say you're doing it, and that it might not be an entirely bad car, then we're 'ranting and raving' and are irrelevant because we're not going to buy it?
Ding ding ding
.RJ Wrote:totally subjective.
Goodspeed Wrote:think the styling looks like ass, the brand name makes me vomit, and the fact of the matter is this: a 300 hp RWD car, new or used, is not uncommon these days, and this car isn't special or revolutionary or exciting or good looking enough to sway me to it or Hyundai.
Thats my opinion. Hyundai is trying to break ground in a highly competitive and highly saturated market with an ugly, non-original, overall bland offering and I don't think its deserving of half the attention we are giving it.
Sure, perhaps non enthusiasts will buy them. Like RJ said, why they do the things they do when it comes to cars is a mystery. But, as an enthusiast, if you spend 25k on a new Hyundai instead of a tried and proven used 350Z or even C5 Vette with aftermarket support, theres something wrong with your brains. Prove me wrong in a couple years when you buy one.
- CaptainHenreh - 11-13-2007
.RJ Wrote:Just like the new Buell 1125R - everything looks great on paper, but I still think its absolutely ugly - and thats totally subjective.
I think the Buell is a poor example. The Buell is a bad ass machine with some polarizing styling:
![[Image: buell.jpg]](http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/buell.jpg)
I think it's bad ass, but it'd be a much better example if it were, say, 4,000 dollars.
- CaptainHenreh - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:Sure, perhaps non enthusiasts will buy them. Like RJ said, why they do the things they do when it comes to cars is a mystery. But, as an enthusiast, if you spend 25k on a new Hyundai instead of a tried and proven used 350Z or even C5 Vette with aftermarket support, theres something wrong with your brains. Prove me wrong in a couple years when you buy one.
Your logic sucks so bad.
Let's take my car for example. For 23,000 dollars I could have bought damned near anything instead of my MS3. I could have bought a ferrari. A C5. A C4 & t-w-o turbos. A TT Supra. A 350Z. An RX-8. An FD RX-7. A 750IL. 2 bitchin' E28 M5's.
But I didn't.
So am I some kind of mental retard?
- .RJ - 11-13-2007
CaptainHenreh Wrote:I think the Buell is a poor example
Its a perfect example. Its a brand thats slowly getting out from under a stigma of crappy product and starting to bring some pretty cool stuff to the market.
Quote:I think it's bad ass, but it'd be a much better example if it were, say, 4,000 dollars.
How so? The only bike you can buy new for $4k is a Ninja 250 - thats like comparing the new Hyundai thing to a $9k Kia.
- CaptainHenreh - 11-13-2007
.RJ Wrote:CaptainHenreh Wrote:I think the Buell is a poor example
Its a perfect example. Its a brand thats slowly getting out from under a stigma of crappy product and starting to bring some pretty cool stuff to the market.
Quote:I think it's bad ass, but it'd be a much better example if it were, say, 4,000 dollars.
How so? The only bike you can buy new for $4k is a Ninja 250 - thats like comparing the new Hyundai thing to a $9k Kia.
What I was saying is that no one would consider the Hyundai thing if it were exactly the same price as a 350Z, brand new, option for option. The 1125 is like, 11,000 dollars. Combine high cost with stigma and you've got a recipe for disaster. That's all I was saying. All other comparisons are apt.
- .RJ - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:But, as an enthusiast, if you spend 25k on a new Hyundai instead of a tried and proven used 350Z or even C5 Vette with aftermarket support, theres something wrong with your brains. Prove me wrong in a couple years when you buy one.
The 'enthusiast' market makes up a small percentage of car sales. I dont have any hard data in front of me on this, but you'll find far more C5's and 350z's sitting at office parking lots than you'll ever see on a racetrack or autox events. Many people only buy new cars too, and thats ok for them - but comparing a $25k, 5 year old car to a $25k new car is hardly a fair comparison to either car.
CaptainHenreh Wrote:So am I some kind of mental retard?
Obviously :lol:
- CaptainHenreh - 11-13-2007
.RJ Wrote:CaptainHenreh Wrote:So am I some kind of mental retard?
Obviously :lol:
Quite apparent. I should have bought a Civic SI. DUUUUUH! CUZ IT'S A HONDA!
- Goodspeed - 11-13-2007
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Your logic sucks so bad.
Your logic ain't mo' betta :wink:
A 23k dollar, 263 hp wagon-thing is a helluva deal. MS3 >>>>> Hunday POS.
Lets put it this way...say you had your money back, would you get the MS3 or this Hyundai thing?
I wouldn't fault you for spending the money on the Mazda. Its unique, practical, and a hell of a lot of performance for the money. This Hyundai on the other hand, is not (IMO). Comparing a 5 door wagon with this two door coupe is a bit flawed; if you consider the two door coupe market, there is a lot out there for your 25k that is better for your money if you're an enthusiast, and I would call you a retard if you got the Hyundai over a 'Vette, or an FD, or anything with two turbos.
- CaptainHenreh - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:A 23k dollar, 263 hp wagon-thing is a helluva deal. MS3 >>>>> Hunday POS.
Lets put it this way...say you had your money back, would you get the MS3 or this Hyundai thing?
I honestly don't know. I mean, RWD, plenty of power, 10/100 warranty...
- .RJ - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:I wouldn't fault you for spending the money on the Mazda.
Rex you can sleep easy tonight now that you have goodspeed's approval - I was getting worried for a minute that he would think your car sucks!
Goodspeed Wrote:I would call you a retard if you got the Hyundai over a 'Vette, or an FD, or anything with two turbos.
And I would call you a retard for overlooking all aspects of the car just to thumb your nose at the badge on the hood and buy something else.
- Evan - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:Hyundai is trying to break ground in a highly competitive and highly saturated marketI must be living under a rock, so please tell me the makes and models of all of the under 25k (and under 20k) rwd 4seater coupes.
- CaptainHenreh - 11-13-2007
Evan Wrote:Goodspeed Wrote:Hyundai is trying to break ground in a highly competitive and highly saturated marketI must be living under a rock, so please tell me the makes and models of all of the under 25k (and under 20k) rwd 4seater coupes.
Dude, hello? SUPRA?
I'm sorry, that's not being sporting.
Truth is Goodspeed just hates all things Korean and tries to justify it however he can.