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- Sijray21 - 07-18-2006
asteele2 Wrote:Channing might be better off with my VFR
which one, the non-running one or the one that's in peices?
in all seriousness i'm pretty happy to have a newer bike and i hate dealing with old and busted shit. I'd get a newer SV, learn to ride it, get some seat time on it, then possibly think about taking it on track.
- Ginger - 07-18-2006
Sijray21 Wrote:asteele2 Wrote:Channing might be better off with my VFR
which one, the non-running one or the one that's in peices?
in all seriousness i'm pretty happy to have a newer bike and i hate dealing with old and busted shit. I'd get a newer SV, learn to ride it, get some seat time on it, then possibly think about taking it on track.
Possibly? That's the only reason I'd buy one
Now where's my lawnmower?
- .RJ - 07-18-2006
G.Irish Wrote:RC31? One RC too many, what you really want is a RC30 8)
I suppose I shall have to get myself one of those too
- stevegula - 07-18-2006
.RJ Wrote:stevegula Wrote:Right.
Make him get a 26 year old bike so when something breaks it takes 4 weeks to get parts
GSXR's and SV's are god, everything else sucks. We get it already.
That's beside the point. The only reason I'm preaching the SV so hard is because it doesn't have a competitor to promote with it and it is a great starter bike just like the Ninja 250/500 or GS500 (I started on a Ninja 250).
asteele2 Wrote:Not to be argumentative, but aside from the fact that they're not glory bikes... there are plenty of guys racing clubman on GS & EX 500s. They're hardly up to par with the SV's, and race replicas out there... but owning one of those bikes doesn't have to be the end goal.
yea, but how often do you see them at track days? Hell, the top speed disparity alone makes it dangerous for them to be out there.
Y'all are motorheads, you already know the consequences of dumb actions. So there's no reason to start with a bike like a Ninja 500, especially if you'd like to get on the track. I respect starting small and cheap, but if you're already familiar with what's going on I think it's possible to start with the bar too low. Hell, why not just encourage him to just get a pocketbike.
- .RJ - 07-18-2006
stevegula Wrote:it doesn't have a competitor to promote with it
Ninja 650....
Just about any 90's 600cc sportbike (F2/F3, GSXR, FZR, ZX6, etc) falls in the same category of cheap, easily tracked starter bike as well. There are plenty of good choices out there.
stevegula Wrote:yea, but how often do you see them at track days? Hell, the top speed disparity alone makes it dangerous for them to be out there.
If the guy on the faster bike cant negotiate going in a straight line past a slower bike then he shouldnt be out there at all.
- stevegula - 07-18-2006
.RJ Wrote:stevegula Wrote:it doesn't have a competitor to promote with it
Ninja 650....
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about older/used bikes.
Quote:Just about any 90's 600cc sportbike (F2/F3, GSXR, FZR, ZX6, etc) falls in the same category of cheap, easily tracked starter bike as well. There are plenty of good choices out there.
But they're heavier than the SV, and generate more power than the bikes we've been talking about (SV/GS500/EX500) and because they're older they're likely to require maintenence before getting anywhere. Kind of like Kaan's bike.
Quote:If the guy on the faster bike cant negotiate going in a straight line past a slower bike then he shouldnt be out there at all.
Closing speed is a bitch. And when you're negotiating several bikes and you come on a suddenly slower bike that you hadn't seen, you're in a risky situation. I know it's the responsiblity of the passing rider, but really I'd rather just not be on the slow slow bike that's at risk of being rear ended. My personal favorite is when the slow slow bike adjusts their line and ends up on my line, but I'm going much too fast to brake without hitting them so I get completely alter my line. That's always a riot.
And fwiw, on the Internet I speak rather assertively. It's not that I believe that much in what I'm saying (atleast not all of the time), it's just because I typically right a tad formally so it comes off as seeming like I believe in something so much it may as well be carved in stone. Or I just come off as compeletely arrogant. So I'll just reiterate what I was trying to get at from the beginning but didn't make much of an effort to say -
Atleast on this board, most of the people here are intelligent and responsible enough to know motorcycling isn't safe. So most of the people here aren't going to do anything particularly stupid, even on a fast bike. So I don't really think there's a need to start with something below an older 600 or SV650 for most of the people here. I know there are exceptions, I feel like I read someone on here tried to do wheelies almost immediately after they bought their motorcycle and crashed, high five on that. Anyway, so if you already know the risks, and want a bike to learn on as well as track, why not just go ahead and get a bike that when you take to the track you won't feel bad about.
Most people I wouldn't even go so far as to recommend an SV650, but this is a different crowd. And most people here aren't lying to themselves when they say they intend to do something with a vehicle or say they know they won't do something with a vehicle.
- BLINGMW - 07-18-2006
Evan Wrote:an SV is too new and too non-busted for Chan.
Believe it or not, I don't want an old bike.
hock: Mechanical failure just seems to have more dire consequences on a bike, and fairly new ones are cheap enough for me to consider. I do like the old tech (air cooled, carbed), but I want it on a fairly new bike. stevegula Wrote:yea, but how often do you see them at track days? Hell, the top speed disparity alone makes it dangerous for them to be out there.
If this statement is true, maybe I'm not interested in tracking a bike. Never once on track have I thought that the turbo porsche closing in on me with a 50MPH difference was just going to rear end me. Is this really a problem on a bike when there's SO much more room to pass safely? Hopefully there are at least a few schools that are run safely enough to teach the participants to prevent such a thing?
- Evan - 07-18-2006
stevegula Wrote:you suck at sarcasmEvan Wrote:an SV is too new and too non-busted for Chan.
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has chaddock's name written all over it
Right.
Make him get a 26 year old bike so when something breaks it takes 4 weeks to get parts.
Because having your moto sit in the driveway unused is really the highlight of owning one.
Or he could get a 99 SV. Cheap and still awesome, especially if you don't mind carburetors.
- stevegula - 07-19-2006
BLINGMW Wrote:If this statement is true, maybe I'm not interested in tracking a bike. Never once on track have I thought that the turbo porsche closing in on me with a 50MPH difference was just going to rear end me. Is this really a problem on a bike when there's SO much more room to pass safely? Hopefully there are at least a few schools that are run safely enough to teach the participants to prevent such a thing?
I got rearended on my motorcycle by another motorcycle on the street, and I've seen it happen at the track. It's not frequent, but it's a possibility. Hell, last time I was at Summit a guy wiped out then got ran over by another bike and broke his kneecap. It's a whole new world when you don't have a roll cage and fenders.
- SameeRR - 07-19-2006
also know that the 2 foot width of the bike isn't the only thing in the way of a passing bike. you gotta remember that when you're at a sharp lean there's more of you that can get clipped on a turn.
not to scare you at all. fuck. i suck. disregard that.
- Ginger - 07-19-2006
... all things considered, I still feel safer on track than I do on the street.
- Evan - 07-19-2006
if getting rear-ended during a track day is really a significant risk, track riders need to get their heads out of their asses
- .paul - 07-19-2006
you can not determine how hard a n00b tracker is going to brake before a turn.
at jefferson i saw noobs let off the gas before the first brake marker, and then brake - granted id just go around them, sometimes they are so jerky with the brakes it can be a dangerous situation.
OR if you late brake them, or pass them, a lot of times they get fixated or forget to brake because they are like oh shit someone just passed me, and then while you are braking for the turn they just hit you.
I guess that is what happened to gula
- Apoc - 07-19-2006
Then... well... just maybe... give them more room? Isn't that the point of beginner run groups?
Maybe I'm just not remembering my days in DE that well but it seems like track bikers have a lot more issues than cagers.
- PDenbigh - 07-19-2006
Geez channing look what you started ;-)
- .paul - 07-19-2006
well you still have brake lights in cars - so you know when you're braking. you also have someone sitting with you telling you to slow down, or you are being retarded do this and this.
you do not have that on a bike, and a lot of people who think they can ride well on the street pussy it up on the track or over kill it on the track. at least from my experienes.
without verbal guidance there will be a lot more issues for track bikers, and the fact that even though there are CRs, there are not enough for EACH rider, so it is hard for them to watch and make note of everyone and tell them waht they are doing right and wrong unless they follow you specifically
- Apoc - 07-19-2006
.paul Wrote:without verbal guidance there will be a lot more issues for track bikers, and the fact that even though there are CRs, there are not enough for EACH rider, so it is hard for them to watch and make note of everyone and tell them waht they are doing right and wrong unless they follow you specifically
You just reminded me why I'm not ready to track my bike. Thanks!
- .paul - 07-19-2006
well if you feel that way, then take a Cornerspeed class - more money, but more guidance and teaching, and less people on the track.
- stevegula - 07-19-2006
.paul Wrote:OR if you late brake them, or pass them, a lot of times they get fixated or forget to brake because they are like oh shit someone just passed me, and then while you are braking for the turn they just hit you.
I guess that is what happened to gula
My actually getting rear-ended was on the street, in a parking lot. I was stopped to turn, some squid wasn't paying a lick of attention and I just heard my friend yell "STEVE!". Then the noise of plastic on plastic as a guy ran up the left side of my bike, finally stopped when his front wheel was up by my knee. Highlight was his girlfriend came flying by me on the *right* side. Her boyfriend was caring enough to have her in shorts and flipflops. Luckily she never hit the ground, she just did this awesome running/hopping thing for 10 feet.
At VIR North, I passed two people on the right coming out of the esses then moved over to the left side of the track, passed another and waited for my brake marker. I had already spotted what biker I would tuck in behind going up into 7 and since she was further to the inside of the track I had room to brake. Then she decided "actually, I want to be over.... *here*". Well now she's directly in front of me, I was already running kind of hot but had to release the brakes, scoot over to the edge of the track, and then get hard on the brakes while running down the painted stripe. I ran right up next to her, close enough that I could have kicked her. The only reason I made the turn was because she turned in ridiculously early and free'd up some of the turn for me to burn off more speed. That was in the Sport Enthusiast/Intermediate group.
The rearending I saw was at a race at Summit, guy knew he could deep brake and the guy behind him was determined to not let him get away. They made contact.
People make mistakes, sometimes you can work around them, sometimes you can't. You're not in a car so when you can't you will probably get hurt.
- Sijray21 - 07-19-2006
stevegula Wrote:The rearending I saw was at a race at Summit, guy knew he could deep brake and the guy behind him was determined to not let him get away. They made contact.
ahhh, the classic Red Mist....it's not like i've done that to a Miata coming into T5 with faded pads at Summit Main or anything.....
hock: ....major ass puckerage, but i was in a car