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- .RJ - 06-16-2006
Evan Wrote:So when presented with a fact that conflicts with your personal opinion, you just ignore it and keep on thinkin' what you think is true.
So you'd rather take an isolated incident, where his head didnt even touch the pavement, and present it as fact that not wearing a helmet wont kill you? Good one. Thats why I said "opinion". Not "fact". I "think" that if you wreck your shit while not wearing a lid, you'll die. Is that true for everyone? Obviously not in this case. But a head injury is the highest risk in most of the things that we do (bikes, mtn bikes, racing) so we wear helmets... for me, the thought of not wearing one is rediculous. But thats my choice. If someone else doesnt want to make that choice, then so be it.
- Andy - 06-16-2006
I'm probably going to get kicked in the balls for this, but I suspect that half of the reason why riders are offended by helmets laws and non-riders don't necessarily get worked up is due to the illusion of freedom that riding a bike provides the rider. I'm only supposing this from having read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance and have never ever ridden a bike.
Riding without a helmet is pretty retarded to me but legislating it is probably not the most effective solution. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think that the govt popularized wearing car seatbelts from education and that "dummy" + buckle up campaign. It wasn't until later that they created a law.
- damnit458 - 06-16-2006
Andy Wrote:I'm only supposing this from having read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance and have never ever ridden a bike.
Good book!
- .RJ - 06-16-2006
Andy Wrote:Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think that the govt popularized wearing car seatbelts from education and that "dummy" + buckle up campaign. It wasn't until later that they created a law.
The car industry really is a different animal.... requiring seat belts, head rests, airbags, better crash standards, lower emissions standards, are all pushed by the gov't and legislation and a small part by other private groups. Its unfortunate, but if the auto industry was more self regulating this type of legislature wouldnt be required.
I suppose you could, with a pretty big reach, use the same argument to require jackets with CE armor, boots, gloves, full face helmets for motorcycle riders too though.
- Evan - 06-16-2006
.RJ Wrote:So you'd rather take an isolated incident, where his head didnt even touch the pavement, and present it as fact that not wearing a helmet wont kill you? Good one. Thats why I said "opinion". Not "fact". I "think" that if you wreck your shit while not wearing a lid, you'll die. Is that true for everyone? Obviously not in this case. But a head injury is the highest risk in most of the things that we do (bikes, mtn bikes, racing) so we wear helmets... for me, the thought of not wearing one is rediculous. But thats my choice. If someone else doesnt want to make that choice, then so be it.You need to work on the whole reading skillz thing. I didnt say, nor imply that not wearing a helmet wont kill you, but nice try at manipulating that one around. Maybe you should grab a thesaurus, because "opinion" probably isnt the word you want to use in this situation, doing so makes yourself look pretty clueless in the face of reality. Maybe "assumption" or "presumption" or "prediction" would better suit the context.
anyway, back on topic,
one thing you need to think about in your "heart disease" etc comparisons is that health problems are extremely different situations and how you get to them, especially in a legal sense.
Death/injury by a vehicle accident is direct and immediate where helmet/seatbelt has a direct and immediate positive effect on the outcome
smoking/eathing unhealthy is indirect and takes a very long time. Important distinction when it comes to lawmaking, although recent lawsuits may start to extend the reach of the law into this realm too.
- .RJ - 06-16-2006
Evan Wrote:Maybe you should grab a thesaurus, because "opinion" probably isnt the word you want to use in this situation, doing so makes yourself look pretty clueless in the face of reality
I shouldnt have to clarify for the reading inept, but here you go:
Quote:Entry Word: opinion
Function: noun
Text: 1 an idea that is believed to be true or valid without positive knowledge <my opinion is that such interference was unnecessary>
Synonyms belief, conviction, eye, feeling, judgment (or judgement), mind, notion, persuasion, sentiment, verdict, view
Related Words say; impression, perception, take; attitude; assumption, presumption, presupposition; conclusion, decision, determination; deliverance, esteem, estimate, estimation; credence, credit, faith; concept, conception, idea, thought; position, stand; comment, observation, reflection, remark; conjecture, guess, hunch, hypothesis, surmise, theory; advice, recommendation, suggestion; angle, outlook, perspective, point of view, shoes, slant, standpoint, viewpoint
Near Antonyms fact, truth
Next time I'll make sure I clearly put "my full of shit biased, based on no factual knowledge opinion"
- Evan - 06-16-2006
If I tell you my opinion is that the sky is green, then Id be a moron to not change my opinion when I go outside and look up.
but hey, whatever. I really think the statement made a lot more sense as an assumption or presumption. Opinions have to do with things that cant be proven or disproven by fact.
- .RJ - 06-16-2006
Evan Wrote:If I tell you my opinion is that the sky is green
Yes, but you're colorblind.... so that would fit here
Opinions are like assholes, and you're certainly entitled to yours.